Some LME49600 implementations

Apr 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM Post #76 of 292
Intended for audio, sorted. That's the same one I picked from the list.
 
It says low distortion. Ask them how much. Probably hard to quantify, application dependent.
 
2 per channel, I guess. 
 
Have you got a source for them? How are you going to indicate the set level?
 
 I was looking for a 1k log pot, best I could find was 5k. What max R are you aiming at? Any ideas about a mute?
 
w
 
Apr 15, 2012 at 12:07 AM Post #77 of 292
For a "mute", just throw a fixed shunt resistor on a switch after the LDR.
 
To indicate volume level, I have a knob that has numbers to "11".
 
In the schematic, the author uses a dual 100K pot.
 
Yes, you use two LDR per channel...shunt attenuator fashion.
 
I found two sources for them with a short search
One only has the unsorted version.
The other has the sorted version.
 
I might as well post the schematic so we are all on the same page...
 

 
 
Apr 15, 2012 at 5:47 PM Post #78 of 292
Some distortion info & alternate configurations here:- http://silonex.com/audiohm/levelcontrol.html
 
They also recommend controlling them with current sources rather than voltage. I saw somebody doing that on diyaudio.
 
Maybe you should start a thread...
 
w
 
Apr 15, 2012 at 11:40 PM Post #79 of 292
Lightspeed is already a product/kit and I don't want to step on any toes...
 
There is already an extensive thread here.
 
 
 
Apr 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM Post #80 of 292
I found a few redundant components, made the output relay run off the on/off switch. This should mean that the relay opens before the capacitance in the rest of the circuit discharges, hopefully preventing any switch-off transient.
 

 
Output offset should be 50 microvolts worst case, under 25 typical. Parts should perform close to their datasheet specs, I've been careful with the layout of both signal and power. The servo and protection traces carry very little current and what there is is largely DC levels.
 
I'm close to sending off for 10 boards, just waiting to check the dimensions of some 5k pots I ordered.
 
w
 
Apr 24, 2012 at 5:03 AM Post #81 of 292
I think it looks great. ;)
 
Besides the (certainly great) sound, I'm particularly interested in how the volume control will influence noise and offset performance with this setup.
 
What pots are you going to try?
 
Apr 28, 2012 at 3:50 PM Post #82 of 292
The pots came, but in the end I decided to go with this 10k Alps one from RS http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/trimmers-potentiometer-rheostat/2499159/
 
I can get it in 1k in the same footprint from Farnell, but it's out of stock at the moment. 5k I haven't seen, but they're probably available, it's just a case of locating them.
 
I hope the shaft length is OK, the datasheet was useless... I've got a diamond cut-off disk if the worst comes to the worst.
 
I'm ordering Panasonic 0.1% resistors throughout the signal path and servo since that's what Farnell have in metal film. I have some 47u tants and I intend to piggyback 1u and 0u1 MLCCs on the bypass pads. With the 49990s and LTC1150s the whole thing will be built to the very highest standards, I've also ordered a nice red anodized case.
 
Boards (x10) should take about 2 weeks to arrive. I stewed over them for a few days as I get a better deal on the shipping if I order 2 lots and I'm modifying my TPA6120 amp to get rid of the on'off transients. I like to have a couple of days go by without any changes occurring to me before I commit. I've got some 12 thou copper sheet and some UV sensitive polymer so I'm going to try to make a solder paste stencil.
 
w
 
May 2, 2012 at 9:22 PM Post #83 of 292
Home etched solder stencil for this build:-
 

 
My first try at toner transfer, couldn't get the UV polymer to work. Obviously there have been a few pinholes, but the copper is thick enough that they don't go thru and thru. There are a couple of other problems, missing dividers between a couple of holes, but it's still useable for limited numbers with a bit of manual manipulation. I had to let it stew for a while to get all the holes to etch to close to their intended size, some cleared quicker than others. I can get 2 that size (on one stencil) professionally made at Itead for just over $50 shipped. As it happens I have another SMT board that size coming, when I've proved both I may get the stencil.
 
Can't wait to see the boards...
 
w
 
May 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM Post #84 of 292
Nearly 3 weeks, boards arrived from China this morning.
 

 
Looking good, I can probably get one built in the next 24 hours. First try of my homemade solder stencil, it matches the boards pretty good.
 
A box for this design...
 

 
w
 
May 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM Post #85 of 292
Here's the board with the solderpaste stencilled on.
 

 
The stencil is a bit thick at 12 thou, so the solder paste is a bit thick, but I'll get thinner copper sheet for the next.
 
My dedicated reflow oven.
 

 
This cost less than my comparatively cheap soldering iron. I'd recommend anyone to get one of these and use SMT where possible.
 
The board after reflow.
 

 
Surface tension has pulled a couple of components askew and a couple have shorted, but fortunately they were joined by tracks anyway. I removed a solder string between the LME49600 pins, the only one. All the SO chips worked out fine, the surface tension has pulled the excess solder onto the pads and pins.
 
w
 
May 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM Post #86 of 292
I tested the PSU side of the board before I put the regulators in, that all worked OK.
 
Then I stuffed and soldered the TH components...
 

 
Finally, after some work with the diamond needle files...
 

 
The only problem with reflowed prototypes is that you have to place all the components in one go. Otherwise I'd have built it from the PSU up, testing as I went. All that remains is to plug it in and throw the switch. I've got a variac, a lab variable AC supply that is, but it's a lot of trouble to get it down, I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet.
 
I may be gone some time.
 
w
 
May 18, 2012 at 10:57 PM Post #87 of 292
OK, it works, the amplifier section anyway. The relay transistor's not turning on, I had to short across it, but I'll get to the bottom of that in a minute. Otherwise it could do with a bit more gain, at least for these old Koss phones I'm using to test it. Chris Isaacs, Baja Sessions. 
 
I'd describe the sound as 'transparent'. It's flawless as far as I can tell.
 
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A bit of Chet Atkins & Mark Knopfler next.
 
w
 
May 19, 2012 at 4:56 AM Post #88 of 292
Congratulations wakibaki! ;)
 
I'm sure you'll sort out the relais driver issue. Reworking boards in the non-audio section shouldn't be an issue in the end.
 
As for the gain, same thing with the wire. It's obviously a matter of personal preference and choice of headphones, so there likely is no such thing as a one-setting-fits-all preset, I guess. Reworking two (or four) resistors is no biggy, I suppose.
 
Cheers,
Sebastian.
 
May 19, 2012 at 10:17 PM Post #89 of 292
Thanks Sebastian, I was beginning to feel that I was talking to myself. Odd that there's so little apparent interest, this is potentially a very high-performance design at a very reasonable cost.
 
The first thing I've done is measure the DC offset. I say measure, both my digital meters have a lower limit of 1mV and both read zero. I can't find any unshrouded probes to plug into my old analog meter.
 
<1mV is good, it means the servo is working OK, and the rest of the amplifier obviously sounds OK
 
Anyway that meant I could plug in my sensitive IEMs, Shure e2c's. Now I can hear a very quiet 100Hz hum from the fullwave voltage doubler with nothing playing, it's totally inaudible even in the quietest passages with music playing, but I may be able to do something about it anyway. All I had in SMT diodes to build it with was ultra-fast Shottkys which are more likely to cause radiation than slower ones and if conventional rectifiers don't do the trick I can try strapping a cap across them.
 
Now there's more volume than you can really use. I have a couple of jumpers in there which double the gain, they can be removed. I'm mostly driving it using a Sony NW-E003 Walkman anyway, they are notorious for their weedy output. I may wire the jumpers to a panel switch on the rear panel, there's room.
 
OK, take it all out of the box again and try to figure out the relay transistor...
 
w
 
Edit: found the relay transistor fault, problem with the footprint. I had to skew the transistor to make it work, but no big deal. About 4 seconds delay before switch-on, no pops on switch-on or switch-off.
 
May 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM Post #90 of 292
I was beginning to feel like a judge on "American Idol", just telling everyone their stuff was looking
good and well designed...so I took a break.
 
Your Amp does look good and I am also surprised at the lack of interest.
Maybe if you had started several fights and made lots of outlandish claims, there
would be more interest (in reference to "he who is to remain nameless").
 
That's one of the reasons I put so little effort into showing off any of my designs, that
and the fact I have a "MOT" banner and would get banned...
 
I'm still haven't decided on the fate of my design. I bought a PPA and that basically
blew my budget for getting my boards made. My supplies for etching the board myself
have been depleted...my printer ran out of toner and I don't have an transparencies left.
I do still have some double sided photo board left.
 

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