LFF
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My question is why are you all EQ'ing anyway? It really shouldn't be necessary especially with higher end cans and amps.....
This one's simple, because we EQ it to sound exactly as we want it to sound like personally, I don't want the sound to be completely flat, here let me do a quick illustration (ph43r my MSpaint sk1llz ) roughly how I think the frequency response should be like to sound optimal to me:
I prefer this gently slanting slope frequency response for a warmer sound with boosted mids and bass and slightly recessed highs.
Having said all that, if you like the way it sounds, EQ away to your hearts content!
This is heresy I tell you!! All kidding aside, engineers spend loads of time making adjustments, often times in the order of tenths of a db on EQ's that cost thousands of dollars, and then you guys go around and screw it all up!
All eq's have artifacts, even linear phase ones. Furthermore, most CD's released in the last decade or so were dithered down to 16 bit from 24 bit during the mastering process and often noise shaping was applied as well. Applying any kind of processing after noise shaping is really not a good idea.
Having said all that, if you like the way it sounds, EQ away to your hearts content!
I agree with this. I used to use hardware EQ's and always adjust my treble and bass freq. knobs on all my gear but then I eventually started buying quality kit and realized I didn't have to use that EQ anymore or adjust any freg at all. I keep everything at 0db and with quality amps, speakers and sources I hear the music as it was meant to be heard. So far I've found many headphones to not be very neutral though I do own a pair that are quite close (Sony MDR-V6) and I have been on the hunt for the perfect set of headphones.
I also agree that everyone has the right to listen to music 'how' you want to but I have to admit that I cring when I see them being used with good equipment and speakers. Low end kit...yeah..you might need an EQ to get decent sound...
This is heresy I tell you!! All kidding aside, engineers spend loads of time making adjustments, often times in the order of tenths of a db on EQ's that cost thousands of dollars, and then you guys go around and screw it all up!
All eq's have artifacts, even linear phase ones. Furthermore, most CD's released in the last decade or so were dithered down to 16 bit from 24 bit during the mastering process and often noise shaping was applied as well. Applying any kind of processing after noise shaping is really not a good idea.
Having said all that, if you like the way it sounds, EQ away to your hearts content!
This is heresy I tell you!! All kidding aside, engineers spend loads of time making adjustments, often times in the order of tenths of a db on EQ's that cost thousands of dollars, and then you guys go around and screw it all up!
All eq's have artifacts, even linear phase ones. Furthermore, most CD's released in the last decade or so were dithered down to 16 bit from 24 bit during the mastering process and often noise shaping was applied as well. Applying any kind of processing after noise shaping is really not a good idea.
Having said all that, if you like the way it sounds, EQ away to your hearts content!
You also don't suggest any EQs that the "pros" use for the final result.
I love how you use "quality" all over the place, as well as hearing "music as it was meant to be heard"
I also love how people use both software and hardware EQ on "Low end kit" like HD800, T1, LCD-2, etc. So maybe you should come down from your high horse and greet the commoners. LOL.
EQ is meant to correct flaws on both the recording and/or the hardware. Just like lorafenik said, and very well I might add, no set of headphones has a flat frequency, and that makes EQing a part of the sound correction procedures. Yet, not everyone does it, and I fully respect, as they want to appreciate the gear just like it came to them.
Some people like EQing, some don't. That's no reason to state that a preference is better than the other.
I was strictly referring to low end equipment requiring a EQ to sound good while better equipment (I'm not talking about headphones) doesn't need it IMO. I haven't heard a set of cans yet that I would consider truly neutral sounding but I have been looking for a set. I have heard many low level, mid level, and high end speakers & amps and in my experience the mid level and especially the high end kit had a more neutral sound and didn't require an EQ to sound good. Now what sounds natural and good to me might not sound too good to you without an EQ so in the end we all have to do what we must to get that sound we like. I prefer my music to sound as close to what the studio intended and by adjusting the EQ to fit MY needs I feel I'm changing how the song was engineered to be heard.
I'm not on any high horse here and I'm only expressing my opinion. You and many others here might not agree with me and thats fine. I'm an avid music lover and I prefer speakers to headphones 95% of the time. I only have headphones for listening at night and while others are in the room. Only recently have I decided to seek out quality cans to use and as you can see in my profile I've been working my way from junk to good and I have a ways to go to find that great set of cans.
I am sorry if I came off harsh or elitist. I am most certainly not.
I should add that I own several audio systems in my home and my formal living room has an older (mid 90's kit) system that I do have a hardware EQ unit hooked up to. That amp alone just doesn't have a good sound. Very bland would be a good way to put it. The EQ makes it come alive. So I'm not completely against using an EQ but that system is lower end IMO and in need of the help.
See post number 14 for mastering quality digital EQ's.
I have Grado RS-1 headphones and a Grace M906 and M902
Your post is contradictory, if you are looking for simple, transparent, and neutral, then applying EQ is the absolute last thing you should do. Save your money and buy more neutral cans/amp/dac etc.
Finally, so you all understand where I'm coming from, I should add that headphones are a tool for me.