Snake oil VS newb ears
Jul 12, 2008 at 3:50 AM Post #121 of 127
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Originally Posted by royalcrown /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yeah, it's a shame that there's no reliable way to certifiably test up to 25 khz... then again, my offer still stands: I will pay WindowsX compensation for his time if he goes in and gets his (free!) exam from an audiologist. Now there's no excuse for him to cop out of getting a test (time, gas, etc). I'm willing to put my money down not because I think it's impossible for WindowsX to hear up to 18.5 khz, but because I don't think that he can hear up to 18.5 khz
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And of course, thank you Dr. Moulton for providing the test for free. At this point there's no excuse for WindowsX not to get the test done.




News Flash:

Marroongroge Ltd (MRR) is, among many other things, a distributor for diagnostic equipment in Thailand. MRR does carry the Orbitor 922 http://www.otometrics.com/ha_audiometry_orbiterds.pdf
and the GSI 61 http://www.viasyshealthcare.com/prod...ifications.pdf

Both of those audiometers can test out to 20K Hz.

I can do a quick pure tone test and if Windows X can hear at 18KHz we will then use the research grade audiometers (above mentioned).

So Windows X, if you want your hearing tested by calibrated equipment, we can offer you this service, as always, at a very reasonable price. (free) I will not post your results unless you want them released. (ethics)

Regards,

Dr. Moulton
 
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Jul 12, 2008 at 6:19 AM Post #122 of 127
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Originally Posted by FullCircle /img/forum/go_quote.gif
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But Beethoven was creating HIS music by memory, he was in charge of the creating process, so he had to use HIS memory on how the sound should or would of sounded like. He had an idea of what the music was going or should sound like. Which really is a pretty remarkable ability. (but the key is, it was HIS music, not some random music being played for him)

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Beethoven used a special rod attached to the soundboard on a piano that he could bite—the vibrations would then transfer from the piano to his jaw to increase his perception of the sound. A large collection of his hearing aids such as special ear horns can be viewed at the Beethoven House Museum in Bonn, Germany. Despite his obvious distress, however, Czerny remarked that Beethoven could still hear speech and music normally until 1812.[10] By 1814 however, Beethoven was almost totally deaf, and when a group of visitors saw him play a loud arpeggio or thundering bass notes at his piano remarking, "Ist es nicht schön?" (Isn't that beautiful?), they felt deep sympathy considering his courage and sense of humor.

Ludwig van Beethoven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Jul 12, 2008 at 7:57 AM Post #123 of 127
Fascinating man.

Also from Wiki "Around 1796, Beethoven BEGAN to lose his hearing."

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"Before he was even 30, Beethoven started to notice that he was losing his hearing, surely the greatest tragedy for a performer and composer. By the time he was 32, it was obvious he would not be able to continue as a virtuoso performer. He started to devote all his time to composition; with his wonderful musical memory, he could still hear the music in his head. By the age of 49, he was totally deaf, and all conversations had to be written down for him."

BBC - h2g2 - Ludwig van Beethoven - Pianist and Composer

Much respect to the man, but I still would not ask a deaf person to evaluate the sound quality of music equipment.

Come to think of it, I have yet to meet a blind sniper, for that matter.

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Jul 12, 2008 at 8:58 AM Post #124 of 127
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Originally Posted by FullCircle /img/forum/go_quote.gif
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Much respect to the man, but I still would not ask a deaf person to evaluate the sound quality of music equipment.

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No argument on that point
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Jul 12, 2008 at 4:41 PM Post #125 of 127
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Originally Posted by fordgtlover /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Beethoven used a special rod attached to the soundboard on a piano that he could bite



Johnny Ray was a huge pop singer, right inbetween Sinatra and Elvis. A surgery that went wrong at the height of his popularity made him deaf, but could hear himself sing through bone conduction. He also could sense the thump of the bass drum in the orchestra and used that to keep time. He was an incredible singer and had a string of big hits.

Deaf doesn't always mean "can't hear anything" and blind doesn't always mean "can't see anything".

See ya
Steve
 
Jul 12, 2008 at 7:35 PM Post #126 of 127
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Originally Posted by bigshot /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Johnny Ray was a huge pop singer, right inbetween Sinatra and Elvis. A surgery that went wrong at the height of his popularity made him deaf, but could hear himself sing through bone conduction. He also could sense the thump of the bass drum in the orchestra and used that to keep time. He was an incredible singer and had a string of big hits.

Deaf doesn't always mean "can't hear anything" and blind doesn't always mean "can't see anything".

See ya
Steve





Deaf doesn't always mean "can't hear anything" and blind doesn't always mean "can't see anything".

That clears up everything.....
 
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Jul 12, 2008 at 10:59 PM Post #127 of 127
Most of the true, thudding bass that we "hear" is actually felt by the body and interpreted as sound by our brains. . . to the point that some companies have made "sub-amps" that don't actually emit sound but instead you bolt them to the frame of your car and they vibrate. A passenger in the car would never know they weren't "hearing" the sound.
 

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