Side By Side Comparison - AirPods Max, B&O H95, Dali iO-6, B&W PX8, ML 5909, M&D MW75, Focal Bathys and more

Apr 16, 2025 at 11:22 AM Post #826 of 837
great table, but where are the other ? MD75, Bathys, etc.? was really curious on ANC performance since we are comparing ANC headphones and with my experience with Bathys they were pretty poor at ANC and they had a constant hiss since they're always active. i also have a copy of MD65 and their ANC while can be turned off, still hisses non stop and is actually absolutely worthless; i love them for the looks but i was wondering how much MD improved technology at 75 model 5 years later?

Comparison Table
Feature​
DALI IO-12​
B&O Beoplay H100​
Bose QC Ultra
Apple AirPods Max​
Noble FoKus Apollo​
 
Apr 16, 2025 at 3:18 PM Post #828 of 837
great table, but where are the other ?
Why are only these models of ANC Bluetooth headphones presented in the comparative table? Excellent question!
The background to the creation of the comparative table.
One of the forum users recently asked a question in this thread regarding choosing ANC Bluetooth headphones with certain criteria. I had the motivation and time to create such a table to provide a little help. In addition, I wanted to answer the question for myself: "What is the main advantage of the ANC Bluetooth headphones models that interest me (what is the best thing about them)"? This is how this table was created.
To complete the picture, a couple more models should be added to this table, such as T + A Solitaire T, Mark Levinson 5909, but I don't have the time or desire to do this now, although these are headphones that really deserve special attention.
 
Apr 16, 2025 at 4:52 PM Post #830 of 837

To complete the picture, a couple more models should be added to this table, such as T + A Solitaire T, Mark Levinson 5909, but I don't have the time or desire to do this now, although these are headphones that really deserve special attention.


Sorry and thank you very much for putting that together! i didn't realize you weren't the OP, that would be @Maukey and i would have expected him to put such a summary to this post, other wise it's 56 pages of run-away conversation, and without your plot this thread is really struggling with a summary.
 
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Apr 17, 2025 at 7:25 AM Post #831 of 837
Sorry and thank you very much for putting that together! i didn't realize you weren't the OP, that would be @Maukey and i would have expected him to put such a summary to this post, other wise it's 56 pages of run-away conversation, and without your plot this thread is really struggling with a summary.
Yes, everything is fine, no problem!
You have clearly assessed the situation and it is always a pleasure to deal with people who have good manners.

Regarding the summary.
All updated information about current ANC Bluetooth headphones is posted on the first page of this topic (first post by @Maukey).
At the same time, I agree with you that a brief summary of current information in the form of a conclusion or recommendation (based on the criteria: best ANC, microphone, sound, comfort, ergonomics, etc.) at the beginning or end of the first post by @Maukey would simplify the perception and search of information for users, but it is up to @Maukey to decide whether to do this or not. Here we must clearly understand that this will require significant additional effort from @Maukey.

I think that @Maukey has already done an excellent job by creating this topic and filling it with excellent content. For which he deserves special thanks! Take my word for it, this requires a lot of effort from @Maukey.
For example, to create a small comparative table that you mentioned above, I needed about 6 hours of time (processing the data array, validating this data, formatting and publishing) plus small financial expenses on my part.

So feasible and positive contribution to the development of this topic by other forum participants is always welcome!

Good luck!
 
Apr 17, 2025 at 12:22 PM Post #832 of 837
yes, i'm very interested specifically from ANC perspective, with wireless being a secondary feature, in assessment of these headphones. i also understand that many look at these headphones from a wireless perspective with ANC being simply one of the "features".

thus having Dalmonegrig summary table that would actually provide some rating to ANC vs. just a perception summary was extremely useful. this is especially helpful to mean in the context of Bathys that i had for 3 weeks which i noticed 1)hiss non-stop in every single mode to the point that the noise floor was very much sacrificed for listening in quiet environments (which incidentally Bose QC Ultra also hiss, i had 2 pairs and returned them all, and actully ended up settling on WM1000-4), but that 2) the ANC seemed to really struggle of noise elimination and was extremely poor and 3) they were very uncomortable.

i have a pair of NOS MD 65 that i bought to try out for barely $100, and those also have an incessant hiss, interestingly enough the hiss is there even when you go into the full ANC-Off mode and also the ANC is pretty much 0% of value, if it does block some frequencies i'm not sure what actually it blocks.
 
Apr 25, 2025 at 10:26 AM Post #833 of 837
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Apr 28, 2025 at 2:40 PM Post #835 of 837
Ecoute Vacuum Tube Headphones Initial Impressions:

So after spending a few days with the Ecoute Vacuum Tube Headphones, it's pretty clear to me that there was not a lot of confidence that the wireless anc community would take to these, and in my opinion, there's a big reason for that. The sound is completely opposite of what you typically see from wireless anc headphones. Whether that's good or not will depend on the user. I'll explain shortly.

Build and Design - They're actually built really well. Only time will tell with the quality, but these feel very sturdy. There's no loose parts. I'm not a fan of the look, and like many others on my list, wouldn't wear these much outside the house, but to each their own.

Comfort - I would say average for most people. Haven't even looked at the weight, but feels pretty heavy. Can create a hotspot on top of the head after prolonged use. Earcups feel very good to me. Surrounds my ears just fine.

Features - Another area where these headphones feel to me like the creators were taking a wait and see approach. Nothing much to speak of. No app, no included 3.5 cable. You get ANC, Transparency, Passive listening, USB-C listening, LDAC, AAC, and SBC. Literally that's about it LOL. ANC is middle of the pack, as is transparency. Call quality is surprisingly good. Haven't tried in a noisy environment though.

Sound - Ok, this is what took me as long as it did to even give my initial impressions on these. When I first put them on, I almost put them in the trash. At first listen, they honestly sounded to me like cheap, gas station headphones. Luckily, I've been doing this a while and understand that you have to give your brain time to adjust to a sound signature before evaluating. This has never been more true for a set of headphones than these. Ecoute has taken a completely different approach than any other wireless ANC headphone I've tried, or maybe this is the result of the Vacuum Tube sound. This is the most mid forward wireless anc headphone I've ever tried. At first, it sounds a little muffled, bass shy, and uninspired. After some time, and critical listening, you realize that what you're getting is a very clean, non offensive sound that resolve pretty much everything. It's just not glamorous in how it does it. There's not flashy treble or big bass to add to the presentation, it's just a natural sound with extremely clear and natural voices. Now I'll be honest, I still don't personally love it when it comes to excitement, but for some reason, when I do put them on, I can't take them off. It's very weird to me. It just presents music, movies, and games in such a clean, unique manner. It's kind of addicting. I still don't know where I want to rate these when it comes to sound. More to come.

Oh, one more thing, All modes do sound a little different. USB-C sounds the best. Powered on whether wired or wireless sound pretty close with the difference being ANC On vs Off. In short, ANC On gives you a little more in the upper registers which creates a little more detail, ANC Off gives you a little more in the lower mids and bass. Which you prefer will come down to preference. I think I slightly prefer ANC On but need more time to say for sure. I'm not a fan of the passive sound. Just all bass and no treble to my ears.
 
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May 4, 2025 at 7:55 AM Post #837 of 837
Same drivers has me thinking they will sound exactly like the xm5, which sounded almost identical to the xm4, which will be an easy pass for me. I had the xm4 and xm5 for a while but once I compared them to other brands they were on eBay real quick. Now…since they own audeze and if they decided to incorporate the planar drivers from the Maxwell, I’d be all in.
 

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