Shootout: META, SuperMini v2 & v6a, CHA-47
May 29, 2003 at 6:18 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 34

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The reason for this heads-up is to allow suggestions from anyone wanting specific items included in the shoot-out.

I plan to give the v6 another 24 hours to settle down before beginning the test. Although I've had the META portable and v2 for a while, I've never seriously compared them before. Basically, I've always used the SM with an iPod and the META with an EJ1000, so I'm as interested as anyone else in the outcome.

The test will include the JMT CHA47, KurtW META42 portable (AD8620, triple buffers), and Xin's SuperMini v2 and v6a with crossfeed. The reference amp will be a Corda HA-2. Adding the HA-2 to the mix may strike some as ridiculous, but the idea behind this little aside to the main portable test is to compare a decent mid-fi home rig (Corda HA-2/Philips 963SA) to a good portable outfit. Just how much is lost (or not) is among the more intriguing aspects of the test, IMO.

The sources for the portables will be an iPod 30, a Sony EJ1000 PCDP, and a Philips 963SA.

The ICs will be a mix of Kimber, Straightwire, and Xin's own OFC cable (unavoidable with the v2). I also plan to do a comparison of these, since they're fairly representative of what most of us own.

For headphones I plan to use a wide variety including the HD600, DT880, CD3000, D66, Ety ER-4P/S, and W2002. I don't expect to hear a great difference between similar headphones with the various amps, but thought the results might be more meaningful if the test specifically addressed some of the more widely owned models. I have a few other 'phones, so if anyone wants anything in my profile added to the list let me know.

My musical tastes run primarily to jazz and classical, so I'm afraid you're stuck with that. I'd add a little hip-hop, but no one in Vegas will sell it to me. Damned whippersnappers.
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May 29, 2003 at 6:23 PM Post #2 of 34
Cool Idea Spad... Thanks
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Could you (as much as possible) include parts lists for the DIY amps, as different versions of the same amp are invariably different sounding...

...I can't believe how much different this 'nearly top of the range' META sounds compared to the base model I had before it
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Thanks

Duncan
 
May 29, 2003 at 6:42 PM Post #4 of 34
Indeed... I wouldn't be surprised if the META42 compared very favourably to the HA-2! My META42 (AD8620, Class A, 2 X El2001 per channel) sounds better than my modded Corda HA-1 (OPA627,replaced biasing resistor with FET cascode current source). I didn't do all of KurtW's mods, however. I do expect the HA-2 to sound better however since Kelly thought the Corda Blue to be in the same class as the META42, and the HA-2 is supposed to be better than the Blue...

Anyway!

Lookin forward to your review.
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May 29, 2003 at 8:14 PM Post #5 of 34
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Originally posted by Duncan
Could you (as much as possible) include parts lists for the DIY amps, as different versions of the same amp are invariably different sounding...


I can do it for the META and probably for the CHA-47, but I don't know that Xin has ever posted the parts list for the SuperMini. I'll check it out.

Thanks for the suggestion, Duncan.
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May 29, 2003 at 8:31 PM Post #6 of 34
Spad,

When will that day be? Soon...sorry...I just can't wait. Anyway, thanks for doing this. I really want to try out the super mini V.6 I would like you to focus on the Meta42 vs. the super mini v.6 since the v6 is relatively unknown in this community.


Thanks,
Purk
 
May 29, 2003 at 8:37 PM Post #7 of 34
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ooh..... can you throw in your opinions on the DT880 vs CD3000s while your at it? nobody has talked about those two cans in the same sentence.


I've actually done this somewhere around here, AIM9x. The DT880 is the headphone I use most these days, but it doesn't quite measure up to the 3Ks, IMO. The reason the DT880 gets the nod most of the time is because I'm so "into" portable gear. One of the things I particularly like about it is the very item that most complain about: the spiral cord. For portable use--usually meaning an iPod and SuperMini in my case--the "telephone" cord is actually a plus.

Keep in mind that my "travels" with this rig usually consists of moving from a recliner in one corner of my home to a desk chair in another. For real travel, in airplanes for instance, I opt for Etys.
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AIM9x, uh? That's quite a handle. I realize the 9x, unlike the original AIM9, isn't purely a heatseeker, but does anybody ever call you "tail-chaser"?
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May 29, 2003 at 8:57 PM Post #8 of 34
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Originally posted by fiddler
Indeed... I wouldn't be surprised if the META42 compared very favourably to the HA-2! My META42 (AD8620, Class A, 2 X El2001 per channel) sounds better than my modded Corda HA-1 (OPA627,replaced biasing resistor with FET cascode current source). I didn't do all of KurtW's mods, however. I do expect the HA-2 to sound better however since Kelly thought the Corda Blue to be in the same class as the META42, and the HA-2 is supposed to be better than the Blue...

Anyway!

Lookin forward to your review.


I owned a Corda HA-1 at the time of buying the META42. I also bought KurtW's regulated power supply and the package sounded good enough that I promptly sold the HA-1.

But the HA-2 is significantly better than the HA-1, so a head-to-head with the META should be interesting. Supposedly, the HA-2 is practically indistinguishable from the PreHead, so this smells more than a little like some of Don King's more notorious boxing matches. And it's even being refereed in Vegas!
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May 29, 2003 at 9:14 PM Post #9 of 34
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Originally posted by purk
Spad,

When will that day be? Soon...sorry...I just can't wait. Anyway, thanks for doing this. I really want to try out the super mini V.6 I would like you to focus on the Meta42 vs. the super mini v.6 since the v6 is relatively unknown in this community.


Thanks,
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I have house guests arriving tomorrow (Friday) afternoon, but I plan to begin testing tomorrow morning. The v6 will have 30-odd hours on it by then. I won't be able to get back to it until Monday, but I should be able to finish by Tuesday--baring the unforeseen.

I'm also particularly interested in the META vs. SM part of the test, so you can be certain I'll be paying particular attention.
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May 29, 2003 at 9:29 PM Post #10 of 34
Very much awaiting this review! Don't hold back
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-dd3mon
 
May 30, 2003 at 2:08 AM Post #11 of 34
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Originally posted by Spad
I've actually done this somewhere around here, AIM9x.


Really? I searched "DT880 CD3000" and went through everything that came up, yet was unable to find useful information on cd3k vs dt880. I guess I'll give it another try.



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Orignally posted by Spad
AIM9x, uh? That's quite a handle. I realize the 9x, unlike the original AIM9, isn't purely a heatseeker, but does anybody ever call you "tail-chaser"?
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over 99.995% of the time, nobody knows What my name means. Of the times when somebody tries to infer something from my name, 95% get it wrong because they immediately think that my name means that I use AOL Instant Messenger and that my AIM handle is 9x. They are all morons and should be shot. I've been called a tail-chaser before, but never on the internet. You are given the great honor of being the very first on the internet to call me that based off my nickname.
 
May 30, 2003 at 10:41 PM Post #12 of 34
I've been at this all morning and I have to confess at this point that I've bitten off a tad more than I can handle in a single review. I think it best to do these comparisons in smaller, more digestible chunks. With this in mind, I've decided to begin with a comparison of the META42 portable versus the SuperMini v6.

The sources used were the new generation 30 GB iPod and a Sony EJ1000. All tests were performed using the PCDP's line-out and the headphone out of the iPod. (More on this decision below.)

The headphones used were HD600s, DT880s, D66s, Ety ER-4P/S and CD3000s. The HD600s are fitted with a Sennheiser 1.2 meter cable. The Etys have FixUp's replacement cable, 4S adapter, and the standard foamies. The other headphones are completely stock with no tweaks of any kind. This isn't a headphone face off, but I feel those I've selected for the test to be representative of the most widely owned models here. The idea is to determine their relative suitability for use with these particular amp/source combinations. Since the HD600 appears to be the most widely experienced quality headphone on Head-Fi, I decided to use it as the test reference.

The amps were configured as follows:

The META42 is a KurtW version, and full specifications are listed at the end of this article. For this phase of the testing, it was used without its external power supply. The full specs are listed below.

The SuperMini v2 included the standard attached six-inch OFC cable and standard power indicator. This has been my workhorse iPod amp and has seen more use by far than the others combined.

The SuperMini v6, like the v2, was purchased solely for use with the iPod when driving difficult 'phones. It is an analog version with crossfeed and the optional power indicator.

The ICs were Straightwire, Kimber PJB and Xin's OFC.

The music used consisted primarily of a jazz mix including Benoit, Sinatra, Krall, Jones, Garrett, and several others. The classical selections included mostly small ensemble pieces for cello, violin, viola, flute, and piano. Where the iPod and PCDP were compared, the rips were all 160kbps AACs.

The Tests.

First up was the Kimber--HD600--META42--EJ1000. Then I realized that wouldn't work so I tried EJ1000--Kimber--META42--HD600. (Just kidding, fellas!) There were no surprises here. The META, like always, quickly made me wonder why I thought I ever needed anything better. The familiar effortless flow with its fast, sharply defined transients soon took me away. But I managed a few notes. Included among them are phrases such as . . . cello and woodwinds have excellent body and resonance . . . the timbre of the cello is particularly pleasant . . . clarinet has wonderful hollow, reedy sound . . . very lifelike . . . very musical sound . . . exceptionally well controlled bass . . . great brushes . . . sound is extremely open and dynamics have an unlimited feel . . . not the least hint of congestion.

Next, the v6 was substituted for the META. The immediate impression was one of familiarity--not surprising given the amount of time I've spent with the v2. The sound was good but seemed somehow less well defined than with the META. Nevertheless, I continued listening to the same selections and soon the memory of the prior amp faded and the v6 sounded very good indeed. Then I began a series of direct short passage comparisons. My notes include . . . transients seem slightly rounded . . . slower . . . slew rate overrated? . . . cello and woodwinds have less body . . . less air . . . deep bass but slightly mushy . . . sounds somewhat congested in comparison.

I then switched ICs, but none of the three tried made a quantifiable difference.

Next up was the iPod paired with the META and the HD600. The sound seemed very similar to that of the EJ1000 with this combination. I tried several quick switches with difficult passages and my opinion didn't change--they sound practically identical.

Then I switched to the v6 with the same iPod--HD600 combination. There was a subtle but definite drop in quality. I made several META/v6 switches to be sure, but in the end felt confident that the v6 is outclassed by the META.

Next I tried the iPod with the HD600s and no amp. The immediate difference was the obvious: lower available volume. But although lower, the output was considerably beyond my preferred listening level if not beyond my tolerance. My notes from this portion of the test include . . . sounds better than v6 . . . wider, faster, sharper, cleaner transients . . . better definition and inner detail . . . best with no amp at all! . . . excellent dynamics . . . much, much better than anticipated . . . bass slightly boomy compared to META? . . . Sinatra's voice with just the right amount of raspiness.

A few additional notes on the iPod. When using an external amp, I've always set the amp's volume to full on and adjusted the system volume with the iPod. This test indicated rather conclusively that this is wrong. Although running counter to conventional wisdom, the best combined output results from setting the iPod's output to maximum and adjusting the volume from the amp. I presume this is due to the iPod's digital circuitry since it apparently has no effect whatever on the players dynamic headroom. Run in this way, I encountered no clipping whatsoever. The reason I chose to use the iPod's headphone output rather than its line-out was that in comparing it directly against the EJ1000s line-out I could detect no difference. I'll reserve the line-out test for another segment.

Regarding the ICs, heres a rundown on those I used:

The Straightwire IC is a 12-incher with low profile right angle connectors. It's well constructed and sufficiently flexible for portable use.

The Kimber is a 12-inch cable with right angle Switchcraft connectors. This cable, though obviously of very high quality, isn't suitable for many portable applications. The large connectors, combined with the stiff Kimber PJB cabling is simply too cumbersome for my taste. I used it for a while in a Headroom Airbag with the EJ1000 before finally switching to a more flexible choice. I now use the Straightwire and Xin cables interchangeably.

The Xin OFC is a 9-inch cable with right angle connectors. It's extremely flexible, but is a dog cosmetically due to the shrink-tube covering of the connectors. Personally, I don't find this objectionable, but I do prefer the low profile Straightwire connectors for their exceptional compactness.

As we all know, the requirements and considerations for ICs differ somewhat between home and portable systems. There is an audible difference between those I chose, but it's subtle and not sufficient to overcome the convenience of a more flexible cable in this application.

Now, by way of summary, a little Socratean self interview:

Q. Have there been any surprises so far?

A. Yes. There is a greater difference than expected between the META and the SuperMini. Also, I was surprised by the iPod's ability to drive the HD600s.

Q. Has the test changed the way you'll use your gear?

A. Yes. In many cases I will no longer use an amp with the iPod. Since my preferred method of listening is increasingly centered on the iPod, this is a significant change.

Q. Don't you feel the META contributes to the iPod's performance?

A. Not really. I believe the reason the META sounds good with the iPod is that it doesn't obviously alter the iPod's already excellent headphone output. In my view, it contributes nothing other than added volume. Conventional wisdom notwithstanding, it actually is possible for an amp to improve upon the original source owing to the different load it presents to the preamp. The real test will come when I compare the META and iPod's line-out with the headphone output. I expect great things from the META in this case.

Q. Is the crossfeed option on the v6 a worthwhile investment?

A. This is a Catch-22 for those upgrading from earlier versions of the SM. Xin offers a whopping $60 discount, but only if they include the $39 crossfeed. This is the reason I ordered it. But since I can hear no difference whether it's on or off, if the v6 were my first SuperMini I wouldn't order it. I should mention that I'm not really a crossfeed fan, however. Also, my META includes a "blend" feature that does essentially the same thing and I can't hear that either. In fact, I can only occasionally hear a difference with the Corda's crossfeed and that is supposedly the best of the lot.

Q. Since you rate the META above the SuperMini, do you plan to get rid of your v6?

A. No way. It's an excellent performer and still the most convenient amp out there. Keep in mind that the SuperMini suffers only in direct comparison to the META. I've used a v2 for many months and have always been delighted with it.

Q. So what happened to the comparisons of the other headphones?

A. I'm not yet finished with those and I've run out of time. I thought it best to post this rather than wait for the whole kaboodle. Besides, it's too damned long already. I've got to run for the airport.

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META42 Specs:

- Serpac H-65-9V case, measuring 2.75" x 4.94" x .94" high
- AD8620 dual op amp soldered directly onto board for
shortest possible signal path
- Cascode FET current sources to operate the op amp in
Class A mode
- 3 EL2001 output buffers per channel.
- EL2001 buffer in internal power supply with TLE2426
railspliter
- Power supply caps: four 470uF electrolytics, as well
as two 6.8uF Wima poly caps
- 3 Amp Crowbar diode to protect against a reversed
battery
- DC-coupled circuitry
- Vishay/Dale 1% Metal Film resistors
- Teflon insulated silver plated OFC wire for input/output paths
- Sockets for the output buffer ICs and gain resistors
- Switchable Blend function with internal pot for
tweaking value. [Similar to crossfeed]
- Output resistors replaced with socketed jumpers
- Gain is 9.6
- Case has external compartment for a standard size 9
volt battery. The battery used was a fully charged Plainview 9.6v
NiMH.
- Total standby current of approximately 13-14 mA giving
about 30 hours on an alkaline battery or 13 hours on
a rechargeable NMiH battery.

External Power Supply:
- 500mA supply with external voltage
regulator/filter box operating at 18 volts
- LM317 1.5A voltage regulator for 0.01%/V line
regulation, short circuit protection and 80dB ripple
rejection
- Additional 3000uF capacitance for filtering
 
May 30, 2003 at 11:01 PM Post #13 of 34
Thanks for the review! Very interesting indeed.

If you are still taking requests: how about using all uncompressed music samples. That could be masking some differences. I'd like to ask you to throw in some electronica and/or female vocals but I guess your a jazz/classical fan.

Do you have any older PCDPs at all? Perhaps someone could lend you one. I don't think Sony's recent PCDPs are really worthy of this comparison. I just got myself a D-211 and compared it to my D-CJ01, and although the D-211 was a bit on the bright side, it was much more musical and fun to listen to than my newer player.
 
May 30, 2003 at 11:13 PM Post #14 of 34
Great first part, this could take a while if you're gonna include all your gear
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The parts of your review that I would be MOST interested in, is the comparison between all your amps on the 963sa. Also a comparison between all your sources on a single amp (perhaps the overall favorite?).

Hmm.. the CD3000 & DT880 vs. HD600 interests me too.. damn, I guess all of it will be great info
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Thanks again, great stuff

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May 31, 2003 at 2:06 AM Post #15 of 34
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Thanks for the review! Very interesting indeed.

If you are still taking requests: how about using all uncompressed music samples. That could be masking some differences. I'd like to ask you to throw in some electronica and/or female vocals but I guess your a jazz/classical fan.

Do you have any older PCDPs at all? Perhaps someone could lend you one. I don't think Sony's recent PCDPs are really worthy of this comparison. I just got myself a D-211 and compared it to my D-CJ01, and although the D-211 was a bit on the bright side, it was much more musical and fun to listen to than my newer player.


Glad you found it interesting, Gojira.

I have no electronica, but jazz is filled with great female vocalists. Although I didn't mention them other than in the list of music, I listened to Diana Krall and Norah Jones during the test. Love them gals.
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I do have a few older PCDPs such as the Sony D3 and D35 as well as an older Pana or two. I actually have compared them previously, but my finding differed from yours. Although some are capable of greater 'phone volume, I've always found their DACs lacking compared to the newer models. Since I always use an amp and the PCDP's line-out, the louder headphone outputs are wasted on me. I haven't heard the D-211, so my findings don't necessarily apply. Anyway, I'm glad you've found one you like.
 

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