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You're being very inquisitive (that's a good point), but also a bit paranoid. You may not know that ACS has been undergoing some significant changes; the last one taking place approximately two months ago, maybe less. The changes have also affected the names of the specific products and total rebuilding of ACS's website (which is still under construction). That review was written by a member of this very site- Lindrone. How can you tell that the company did not get Lindrone's permission to publish his review on their new website. How can you know that Lindrone doesn't have ACS's products. It would be good to ask him personally, but he doesn't frequent these boards anymore.
ACS is not the "clone" of Sensaphonics; in fact one could say vice versa with Sensaphonics technicians being instructed by ACS on different matters. Both companies have been collaborating from times immemorial; if they still continue their collaboration like in the past I don't know.
I have a suggestion- why don't you go to ACS's H.Q., since you are in the U.K., and ask them yourself (or if you still persist get them write an official document for you with signatures and stuff).
As I said their website is still under construction and it is indeed not very detailed about the products. When you order T2PRO you get the same stuff (almost) as when you order 2-XS; that is: monitors, a waterproof "pelican" case, a smaller case to store your IEM's on-the-go (now you probably don't get the blue, plastic case with "Sensaphonics" written on it, but instead you get a nice, black, leather case with "ACS"), wax pick and instructions (shirt clip and some cream are optional I guess). The stuff you get also changes as more than two months ago the black case was not an option.
The option for T2PRO's cables are exactly the same as for Sensaphonics 2-XS (a teflon-braided cable or a break-away cable). T2i is a brand new alternative and the cable is longer, it's very soft, doesn't have "memory wires" and it gives you another option to wear the IEM's like T2PRO (over the ear) or just with the wire hanging down; I guess it's made of nylon and the default colour of the cable is white (it's a commercial version).
In conclusion: the IEM's I have from ACS are ultra-awesome whatever name they have. If you decide to get one of these you can count on great service and professionalism.
And BTW it is Prophonic, not "prosonic".
| Originally Posted by mcygn Yes it does seem that at least several folks on this board are happy T2 users, but it's interesting that, including the post that started this thread, the person refered to their T2's in the header as "sensa's" rather than ACS's. Again, that's great that folks are happy with their gear, i just can't think of a parallel where one company's brand is being conflated this way with another company's. Most people on this list are otherwise very careful about exactly what brand of gear they have. That seems a bit muddled when talking about ACS T2's. Folks seem happy because they have a sensa clone rather than happy because they have an ACS T2. The number of posts that talk about ACS's without mentioning sensa's seem few. To you other point about where disengenuous: I agree it seems a bit odd if there's such long time collaboration btwn the owners of Sensaphonics and ACS that a senior player at Sensaphonics would not acknowledge this, but perhaps that's the case: perhaps the love is all on ACS's side?? I'm not sure what is meant by "the owner of Sensaphonics knows what's going on" Have you spoken with him? OR is this what ACS told you? Posting a review for another company's product, and replacing that product name with your own product's name: does that not seem a bit disengenuous? and then not identifying that you have done this - not saying "this is a product review for Brand X, but we make the same thing so if you like Brand X this is the same" : does that not seem a bit disengenuous? isn't that a kind of plaigarism even, especially when they do not give the source of the sited review? (here it is) http://(http://www5.head-fi.org/foru...d.php?t=74812)and http://(http://www.hearingprotection...s-reviews.htm) It also seems a bit odd that the best compliment most people have for ACS is to claim the T2's are effectively sensa's, or they "defy anyone to tell the difference." It all seems just odd. Why can't they be great/as good as/or better than the Prosonics or any other IEM - on their own merits? But it has seemed important to most on these forums to assert that heh, you can get the prosonics from ACS if you're in the UK - they're just called something else. That's certainly why i was interested in them rather than say Westone's Elites, also UK IEMs http://www.pjbox.co.uk/Westone-ES3.htm. Hence the query to ACS to clarify whether or not the comparison is deliberate on their part (the review adaption seems to assert this). This is great to hear: differences between the products! These are the kinds of things that give one reason to think about one product vs another. The two year warranty also sounds like a plus over what seems to be Sensa's 90 days. Here's another one: the fitting is included in the price of the IEM's with ACS; it's not with Sensaphonics. It's great that you and Simon have had super experiences with the company. As one of the other posters above says, however, it would be great to be able to say likewise about them, if they would reply to the emails sent. If they're not going to reply to customers or potential customers by email, don't post an email address! That non-reply also creates the impression that they do not want to engage in a discussion in writing about the similarities/differences with the prosonic. Hence the earlier query does anyone have anything from ACS in writing about this? Or is it all verbal? If ACS is following up from prosonic, why not be explicit about it rather than seemingly (i stress seemingly) plaigarize another product's review? or have all this back channel talk going on about the two products (phone this person and he'll tell you) rather than putting it out there, since this comparison is obviously a determining factor for many buyers? That should be something to be proud of: we started on the same footing but have made some inovations: here's a comparison chart between us and other leading IEM's. Does that seem unreasonable? Probably most of us wouldn't care about this whole issue of same as or not same as, but that there are significant denaros at stake - especially when the cost of importing is about the same. I'd much rather work with a local business, too. Which is also why it would be nice, on another note, if ACS posted a bit more about their product on their web site: like what accessories come with the IEM's, what the specific options on cables are, etc (the sensa's cable on their non-breakaway version looks better and is explicitly teflon, for instance, over the ACS T2i ). best, and thanks for the info and engaging. mc |
You're being very inquisitive (that's a good point), but also a bit paranoid. You may not know that ACS has been undergoing some significant changes; the last one taking place approximately two months ago, maybe less. The changes have also affected the names of the specific products and total rebuilding of ACS's website (which is still under construction). That review was written by a member of this very site- Lindrone. How can you tell that the company did not get Lindrone's permission to publish his review on their new website. How can you know that Lindrone doesn't have ACS's products. It would be good to ask him personally, but he doesn't frequent these boards anymore.
ACS is not the "clone" of Sensaphonics; in fact one could say vice versa with Sensaphonics technicians being instructed by ACS on different matters. Both companies have been collaborating from times immemorial; if they still continue their collaboration like in the past I don't know.
I have a suggestion- why don't you go to ACS's H.Q., since you are in the U.K., and ask them yourself (or if you still persist get them write an official document for you with signatures and stuff).
As I said their website is still under construction and it is indeed not very detailed about the products. When you order T2PRO you get the same stuff (almost) as when you order 2-XS; that is: monitors, a waterproof "pelican" case, a smaller case to store your IEM's on-the-go (now you probably don't get the blue, plastic case with "Sensaphonics" written on it, but instead you get a nice, black, leather case with "ACS"), wax pick and instructions (shirt clip and some cream are optional I guess). The stuff you get also changes as more than two months ago the black case was not an option.
The option for T2PRO's cables are exactly the same as for Sensaphonics 2-XS (a teflon-braided cable or a break-away cable). T2i is a brand new alternative and the cable is longer, it's very soft, doesn't have "memory wires" and it gives you another option to wear the IEM's like T2PRO (over the ear) or just with the wire hanging down; I guess it's made of nylon and the default colour of the cable is white (it's a commercial version).
In conclusion: the IEM's I have from ACS are ultra-awesome whatever name they have. If you decide to get one of these you can count on great service and professionalism.
And BTW it is Prophonic, not "prosonic".
