OldDarth
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This reviewer prefers them to the open version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgRY4cWs3YU&t=164s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgRY4cWs3YU&t=164s
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Like many, got a pair of 598 Cs for $99 on Black Friday at Amazon. Being a huge fan of the open 598s, but always wanting a bit more bass, and a closed back design to occasionally use outdoors, I felt I had to take a chance on them at that price. I'm glad I did. Below are my initial impressions.
First of all, the look and feel. I really like the way the Cs looked in photos online, and they are just as impressive in person, if not more so. A very streamlined, minimalist, elegant look, which I like. Like a woman's classic black dress that never goes out of style. Headband is a huge improvement over open 598s -- streamlined, smoother, better aesthetics, and you don't feel it pressing on your head like sometimes can be the case with the open 598. The fake suede earpads feel great and remain relatively cool during long listening (much cooler than leather or pleather pads). The velvety ear cup covers feel and look very nice. They do attract dust, but can be easily wiped off with a damp sponge or lint roller. Overall, I'd say the Cs are even more comfortable than the open 598, primarily due to the the improved headband. The box is also an improvement. It is cardboard with foam cutout inside to hold the cans. No fancy materials used here, but at least they made the box functional for storing the cans, instead of a throw-away. Credit to Sennheiser for always looking to improve.
As far as sound goes, again I reiterate these are very early impressions, with maybe a few hours of listening, and no serious side by side comparisons done yet, so take these comments with a huge grain of salt. The first thing I noticed when I started listening is that they have an overall somewhat bright tonality. They sound bright but clean, clear, and not harsh. The upper mids and treble seem to be somewhat accentuated compared with the open 598 which sound a bit more laid back. Very first impression also lead me to believe that the warm low mids of the open 598 have been tuned closer to neutral in the Cs. Bass is more pronounced than in the open 598, but still quite polite. It does not get in the way of the rest of the sound spectrum. Initially, I thought the bass sounded a bit loose, but that seems to have improved over a few hours of listening. Bass is noticeably tighter now with greater impact. BTW, they seem to respond well to EQing more bass in. I did a quick bass frequency sweep on youtube (nothing scientific), and I could hear bass down to 20 Hz, albeit at a very low level. Bass level was much more pronounced at 40-50 Hz, and even more so by 100 Hz. (Obviously). My low bass test tracks are "Laffy Taffy" by D4L and "Dark Horse" by Katy Perry. The Cs pass IMO. Both tracks had sufficient amount of low bass represented IMO. That said, these still retain a very balanced overall sound, similar to the open 598, but with a bit more bass and treble. If you're looking for M50x level of deep bass and bass quantity, then look elsewhere. Mid-upper treble is more present as well on these than open 598. Soundstage is obviously not as big as the open 598s, but they do have a pretty good soundstage for a closed back can. I think the angled drivers help. Instrument separation isn't as good. Sometimes the music can sound a bit congested, and certain backgrounds sounds, especially in the mids, can sound somewhat muted/harder to hear. Again, we're comparing to the open 598s that have some really excellent soundstage and instrument separation. It's all relative. Although the Cs sound very good overall, staying true to the balanced sound signature of the original 598, I believe they don't sound quite as refined. Meaning, they sound a bit less accurate and realistic, and less transparent and detailed. It's like going from 598 to 650. You can immediately hear a clearer, more accurate, more realistic, and more refined sound. Now the jump between Cs and 598 isn't that great like it is going from 598 to 650. It's quite subtle actually and I think some may not even notice it. I think this has to do with the different drivers of the Cs vs the 598 (assuming they're different based on the specs).
Overall, I'm pretty happy with the purchase. Love the way they look, feel, and fit. The closed design has addressed my (and many others') biggest complaint with the open 598 - a bit lacking in the bass. These seem to get the bass just about right while still maintaining an overall balanced response. They lack the incredible soundstage, detail, and instrument separation of the open 598, but are pretty good in those areas in their own right. Some of that had to be sacrificed to achieve more bass in a closed design. I do personally think the open 598 are much better sounding, but the Cs sound quite good as well. I will have to do a lot more listening and comparing to see if I'll be keeping these or ultimately going to something else for my closed back, out and about can. Like anyone, I reserve the right to change my opinions over time, as I become more familiar with the Cs.
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As far as sound goes, again I reiterate these are very early impressions, with maybe a few hours of listening, and no serious side by side comparisons done yet, so take these comments with a huge grain of salt. The first thing I noticed when I started listening is that they have an overall somewhat bright tonality. They sound bright but clean, clear, and not harsh. The upper mids and treble seem to be somewhat accentuated compared with the open 598 which sound a bit more laid back. Very first impression also lead me to believe that the warm low mids of the open 598 have been tuned closer to neutral in the Cs.
LL,
Some of the other stuff you mentioned, which you did say SHOULD be taken with a "huge grain of salt", I did not however agree with at all were: 1) Poor instrument separation 2) Not the best soundstage 3) Music sounding congested 4) background sounds hard to hear 5) lack of detail.
I didn't think the music sounded congested at all, neither did I think the background sounds were difficult to hear either. I wonder, what are you using as your source player? Is there a premium amp or amp/DAC device in the mix? Are you playing mp3s or Hi-Res music? Maybe you just need to give them more time as I DID do a good 24 hour burn-in with mine before evaluating them.
Good comprehensive review, but bad news for me, I'm sensitive to brightness, I'm already EQ-ing the upper mids / highs in the 598 SE, if the CS is even brighter I will have to lower even more. Let's hope it will calm down with burn in. Mine is still on the way.
For now, I stand by my comments. However, like I said, it's all relative to the open 598. The Cs do not have poor instrument separation, just not as good as open 598. The soundstage is not as big. The music can sound congested at times (some songs), again relative to open 598. Background sounds are more difficult to hear at certain frequencies than open 598. They're not as detailed and transparent as open 598. But like I said, they're pretty good in their own right. I will be doing more in depth comparisons over the next 2-3 weeks so I will post here either confirming my initial impressions or updating them.
I've used various source equipment including straight from iphone 6, Fiio e10k, and Dragonfly v. 1.2. All stuff I'm very familiar with having used it with my open 598 for nearly a year now. Source files are Spotify 320 Kbps ogg vorbis. So I'm not using anything different with the Cs than with the open 598. The comparisons between the 2 cans are with "all else being equal" as far as source equipment and files go.
I have now burnt my 598 cs in with over 100 hours of music. Will do a comparison between these and the open back 598's.
They have improved over the hours FTW. And they are excellent and a superb Black Friday purchase.