Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:03 AM Post #95,147 of 150,657
2022, Chapter 7
There Is No Why


So, Folkvangr.

Let’s ask the obvious question: Why introduce a 10-tube headphone amp now, in this crazy we-don’t-know-if-there’s-gonna-be-tubes world?

Hell, why introduce such an insane object anytime, when it runs so hot and puts out so little power and isn’t recommended with all headphones and it ain’t even balanced and measures so, ah, ungawdly awfully?

Well, in short: there is no why.

At least not if you look at it in those terms. But if you look at it as, first, an exploration into what an output transformerless and output capacitorless amplifier might work like, and then, a discovery that it sounded way more amazing than we expected, and finally, as an engineering challenge to work through to turn a rats-nest of wires into something that was reasonably safe to sell—compounded by some thermal mis-steps and tube drama—then maybe, just maybe, it might be interesting to you.

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No worries if you don’t understand it. Shelve it with $1.5 million supercars, $450,000 watches, $15,000 espresso machines, and other such over-the-top tomfoolery. That’s cool.

Or, think, “10 tubes! Mini grille! Oh so glow! Gotta have it!”

Because there’s room for both opinions. We are adults, aren’t we?

Aren’t we?



Jason’s Nagging Thought

Like Mike, I get fixated on certain ideas. You know, like Mike wanting to do a choke-input power supply amp since the 1990s. That whole obsession eventually led to Tyr.

For me, one of my biggest what-ifs revolved around the question, “What does a tube really sound like?”

And yeah, I know, you all now think I’m nuts, because you know what tubes sound like. Kinda soft and bloomy and rolled-off and syrupy and romantic, right?

Well, except that lots of tube amps don’t sound that way, and so you know that tubes are really holographic and palpable and extended and magical, and deliver inner resolution like nothing else.

And except there are tube amps that don’t sound like either of the above, and you’ve heard them be analytical or dull or bass-light or ballsy or tons of other adjectives that, let’s face it, we only half-understand, because subjective impressions are subjective, and everyone’s vocabulary is a bit different.

Aside: Yes, this is a huge problem with subjective listening. Not denying that. If you want to talk measurements, read on, we’ll get to those.

But back to the question: what do tubes sound like?

Any attempt to answer this has to start with why different tube amps can sound wildly different. And when you start poking around into tube topologies, the answer becomes obvious: most of the time, you’re not hearing the tube.

Or at least not just the tube.

You see, most tube amps fall into one of two camps:
  1. Transformer-coupled. Tubes are inherently high-voltage, low-current devices. Well, at least the ones you’d be comfortable having in your house. Water-cooled 30kW transmitter tubes might be a different story. Since they are high-voltage and low-current, and have plate impedances that might be significantly higher than a headphone or speaker driver, many tube amps use an output transformer to couple the tubes to the load. There’s nothing wrong with this, and there are some companies with spectacular output transformer design chops. But the sound of the transformer will be convolved with the tube.
  2. Output transformerless (OTL). If you parallel up enough of the highest-current-output tubes, you can choose to eliminate the output transformer. Sounds great, right? Well, there’s no such thing as a free lunch. If you’re talking about a speaker amp, it’s gonna be a lot of, like 6AS7 tubes, with the associated power requirements of 2.5 amps of heater current per tube . Headphone amps can get away with something a bit less bonkers, like Valhalla’s 6N6P or JJ’s ECC99. And if you throw out the transformer, you end up with a relatively weak amp into low-impedance loads. Plus, most OTL amps still put something between your transducer and the tube: an output coupling capacitor. So the sound of the capacitor is now convolved with the tube.
And that’s the question that always bugged me:

What would an OTL and OCL (output capacitorless) amp sound like, with the transducer connected directly to the tubes?

And it was an honest question. As in, I didn’t know if it would be great or terrible. Chicken crap or chicken salad. Transcendant or trash. It was entirely possible that “tube sound” was reliant on the output transformer or capacitor for its magic. I could design a direct-coupled tube amp and it could sound, well, absolutely terrible.

And so, for a very long time, I left the idea alone. Oh yeah, I poked at it a bit, and even drew up a version of Valhalla that was direct coupled. But that never got built.

Aside: it’s a good thing it never came to be. This is a fairly bonkers idea and needs a lot of protection wrapped around it.

But time passed, and the idea wouldn’t go away. And our stocks of 6N1P and 6N6P tubes continued growing—far more than we could use in Valhalla. And with a ton of 6N6P tubes available, I finally, in a fit of pre-COVID boredom (literally my first notes are December 31, 2019), decided to take a stab at an OTL and OCL tube amp.

I didn’t know what I would call it. Or even if it would work.

But if it did, maybe I’d finally have my answer: what does a tube sound like?


It Starts, As Many Things Do, With Total Disaster

So how did it go? About as expected: the first prototype wasn’t even listenable.

Why didn’t it make the grade? Lots of bad assumptions. The first bad assumption was that I would be able to get away with our standard flat-pack transformers. 4 of them, to be precise. Which is kinda bonkers in itself. That’s a ton of transformers.

But, early on, the 4 transformers kinda-sorta made sense. I figured I could put this crazy 10-tube amp in a Freya-sized chassis, with a thin form factor so the tubes could all hang out for better heat dissipation. 4 flat-pack transformers would allow for a Freya-thin chassis.

Aside: before you ask, this was never gonna be a balanced amp. Remember, the challenge with tubes is getting a reasonable amount of current out of them, while also minimizing output impedance. Both of these goals are diametrically opposite balanced operation. Balanced amps “see” half the load, so require twice as much current. At the same time, output impedance doubles as well. Both of these are bad. The trick with Folkvangr was always to have a bunch of output tubes in parallel, to get reasonable power output from a single-ended amp. And, since we are not wankers, we didn’t put balanced connectors on the amp to try to fool you into thinking it was really balanced.

One huge problem with flat-packs, though. They’re kinda weak. Which fubared my plan to pull full power out of the flat-packs to run the heaters. In retrospect, this was a bad assumption, for a couple of reasons:
  • It’s best to derate from the core rating a bit. 48VA doesn’t really mean 48VA, especially in audio applications when you’re going for lower field.
  • For a PCB-mounted transformer, you’re looking at long traces to run the heater AC voltage on. This isn’t such a huge deal at, say, 300mA or 600mA, but it becomes a very big deal when you’re looking at 7.2A of heater current, like in Folkvangr. So that nice 6.3V was barely 5V by the time it reached the tubes.
Sure. Fine. After that fall-on-your-face failure, I yanked the transformers and pasted in a lab power supply. Now I had decent heater voltage.

But I still didn’t have a working amp.

In fact, the DC level never got low enough for the output relay to engage. The protection systems I’d put into the prototype were keeping the amp from ever operating. Which is a good thing, because with a DC output of 5V, it wouldn’t be good for your headphones.

Aside: protection is an important subject with Folkvangr, because, let’s face it, connecting your headphones directly to tubes running on a +/-100V supply is more than a little bonkers. So, in addition to a DC servo, Folkvangr includes DC sensing and protection via relay, as well as AC sensing for fast shut-down. Still a bit bonkers. Still doesn’t keep me from using it with Grados. I would never in a million years use it with IEMs. Your risk tolerance may be higher or lower than mine. No judgement.

What I couldn’t understand, though, is why the DC servo wasn’t getting the output level down to a nice, comfortable 0V (or at least just a few mV). I mean, I’ve used DC servos forever, in everything.

I tried the usual tricks of increasing servo speed, reducing output impedance, etc. No dice. Everything stayed stubbornly at a couple of volts output.

Then, in a fit of inspiration, I thought: maybe the tubes are fighting each other. As in, the servo was trying to correct for one, but due to the inherent mismatch in tubes (even matched tubes aren’t perfect), it couldn’t correct for any of them.

So I pulled out 6 of the 8 output tubes.

Bam! DC output went immediately to zero and the amp clicked in.

Hmm.

That was great, and that also sucked. Because that meant that instead of one servo per channel, I’d need one per output tube. Not the end of the world, but complexity just went up.

Which, I realized, wasn’t such a huge deal. If this thing worked out, it wouldn’t be small, cheap, or practical. So a bit more complexity wouldn’t kill the idea.

Which is why I went ahead and did the first of the redesigns—to include a massively overdesigned single transformer (on the same size core as Vidar!) and 8 servos. Hopefully that would give me something I could listen to.


Second Chances and First Listens

The second prototype was a massive re-think. I lopped off over 1/3 of the board that had been used simply to mount the transformers, and redesigned all of what was left to include the multiple servos…as well as another idea I was playing with. More on that later.

When the big transformer came in, I laughed. It could easily be mistaken for something that belonged in a Vidar. But it plugged into the board and gave me the right volts. A few minutes with a drill and a sacrificial bottom chassis off a junk Gungnir, and I had a Frankenstein-esque open-sled prototype that turned on…and clicked in.

Still, the DC offset wasn’t exactly perfect…it was bouncing around about 30mV, which was OK-ish for many headphones, but I wouldn’t want it bouncing much more than that.

Probably due to the servos fighting each other, I thought. I brought the servo time constant down a bit, and the DC performance got a lot better. Good enough to have a listen.

I packed up the whole thing, took it home, and plugged it into the output of my Gungnir Multibit at home.

I turned it on, waited until the tubes started glowing, and heard the relay click in. Time for a listen.

For the heck of it, I started with the Grado Hemp, a headphone I know well.

And…

Holy schiit…

I mean, I literally sat there, mouth hanging open. Finally Rina came and found me because she was tired of waiting for dinner.

I tried to tell her how good it was, but she wasn’t having any of it. “That’s what you say about all your new products,” she told me.

“Not all of them,” I said.

“Most of them. Unless they really suck.”

And she did have a point. New toy syndrome can be really, really bad. It’s way worse when it’s new-creation syndrome. I’ve joked before that the amp I like best is the one I designed most recently, and, while not totally accurate, the allure of a new design has to be taken into account.

“So you should listen to it,” I told her.

“Nope.” She shook her head. “This one is all yours.”

“Why?”

“Because you clearly like it. And I can feel the heat coming off it from here.”

And she was right. I was sitting in a chair next to the amp, and I could clearly feel the radiant heat from the tubes. I looked sheepish.

“Yeah,” Rina said. “That’s stupid.”

“But it sounds good!”

She rolled her eyes. “Where’s dinner?”

And that was that. At least for a while. I went back to the amp—as yet unnamed—that night, and confirmed, yes, to me, it was doing some very special stuff. I tried a number of headphones, from LCD-2s to HD-650s, and it was kinda, well, universally good.

Which probably meant it was a bit too “tubey,” I thought.

But I decided I didn’t care. It sounded spectacular.

Now I had to figure out how to make it a real product.


Fools Rush In (Where Smarter Engineers Run)

Making it into a real product was way easier said than done. I had no real idea of how the chassis would work, with a giant transformer that was wayyy thicker than a Freya profile. It was a whole new chassis design for us. Which would also mean new packaging.

Sounds like not a big deal? Well, it was. We don’t take on new packaging lightly, because it takes up a ton of room in the facility and increases complexity. I think I sold Alex on the idea mainly because:
  • He knew I liked the way it sounded.
  • He liked the idea of getting rid of tons of tubes.
  • I promised him I’d come up with a chassis we could use for other products (though I still don’t quite know what those other products are).
Eventually, I came up with an idea for a tall chassis that had a center “scoop” that lowered the level of the chassis to nearer the tubes, so they could dissipate heat in the open air. (Or so I thought—more on that later, too.)

But even with the basic idea for the chassis nailed down, there were a couple of intractable issues, including a large transient when turning the product off, and hum with sensitive headphones.

Aside: how much hum? I don’t know. I just know it was audible with Grados in high gain. I didn’t have numbers because I had already made a decision not to measure the product until near the end, so that I wouldn’t be influenced by what it measured like.

The transient and hum meant another redesign—this one to include an AC sensor to shut everything down quickly on turn-off, and to improve the power supply filtering (going to a discrete complementary pair cap multiplier design, used on three rails in the amp).

Those changes solved the huge glitch on power-down and the audible hum, but they didn’t solve my heartburn with my other grand idea—that is, including an impedance multiplier as a switchable option.

“Impedance multiplier?” you ask. “What the heck is that?”

Yeah. I mentioned another one of my wacky ideas, so now’s the time to talk it through. From the start, this crazy 10-tube amp included a solid-state impedance multiplier. This is a circuit that makes any load connected to the amp seem like it’s 8x its actual impedance. So if you connect a Grado, at 32 ohms, the amp sees it as 256 ohms with the impedance multiplier switched in.

“Wait a sec!” some are saying. “That sounds like a transformer!”

It’s not a transformer. It’s electronics—in this case, it’s based on the TPA6120 headphone driver IC.

“So it’s a buffer, it’s cheating!” you cry.

Well, it’s not a buffer. Maybe it is cheating. But it is defeatable. Switch the impedance multiplier off, and it’s completely out of the picture. Not even its protection diodes remain in the circuit. You can have pure tube output whenever you want. Or…you can use the impedance multiplier, to increase Folkvangr’s ability to drive more difficult loads.

Aside: it was about this time in development that I started referring to the amp as “Folkvangr,” which is kinda like Valhalla, except you have to be personally selected by Freya to go there…so, yeah, I know, kinda loose, but it works, doesn’t it?

“Oh no, not so fast,” someone cries. “You can’t distract us with silly names. How is this impedance multiplier not just a buffer?”

Simple: it’s not a buffer, because even when switched in, the output of Folkvangr doesn’t change character. The distortion residual is exactly the same. It takes its cues from the tube output; it doesn’t add its own.

“Nah, no way, not buying it!” some tube die-hards are saying, crossing their arms. “You’re telling me you added a solid-state stage—”

An optional solid-state stage, I have to add.

“—optional solid-state whatever, and it doesn’t affect the way the tube output sounds?”

Ah no, I didn’t say that. I did say the distortion character is unchanged. It does change the sound, but perhaps not in the unpleasant ways you expect. I tried it, I agonized over keeping it or losing it, and, in the end, decided to keep it, because it makes Folkvangr a more versatile amp.

Aside: and, to be totally clear, “more versatile” does not mean, “will drive IEMs and HE-6s.” In fact, we can’t recommend this amp for IEMs at all. Its DC output does bounce around a bit…it shouldn’t be a problem, but I personally wouldn’t use it for highly sensitive IEMs. Nor is is gonna light the world on fire with power output, even with the impedance multiplier switched in. But for an OTL tube amp, it’s pretty versatile.

So yeah, chassis changes, electrical changes, additional prototypes, new metal, lots of angst. Are we done yet?

Not quite.

Not when the first prototypes hit 100 degrees C on the top chassis.

That’s not just hot. That’s, ah, unsellable.


Up On The Mezzanine

Here’s what made it worse: the prototypes hitting 100 degrees C were prototypes using the already-finished, production “muffin tin,” which was our silly name for the complex, deep-drawn stamping that was designed to keep heat out of the chassis.

Yeah. So much for that design.

On reflection, the problem was clear: the tubes were still set too deep within the chassis, and were pumping heat directly into the “muffin tin,” which then resulted in sky-high operating temperatures. What we needed to do was to raise the tubes up.

Now, raising the tubes sounds easy, but options are actually very limited:
  1. Give everyone a set of socket savers with every amp. Yeah, no. Many of those parts don’t have the most confidence-inspiring build quality. Plus, it seems soooooo cheesy.
  2. Design and produce super-tall custom tube sockets. We actually looked into this. It turned out to be impractical for us in the end.
  3. Put the tubes on a higher board—a mezzanine board—to get them at the right height.
Option No. 3 is the one we went for in the end. It actually worked out very well, reducing chassis temperatures to below 50 degrees C, and also allowing us to have more direct connections to critical power supply traces, improving performance.

And, ah, performance…remember I said I wasn’t measuring Folkvangr until the end?

Yeah. I finally did. And, while it was not horrifying from the tube amp point of view, it wasn’t as good as, well, even Valhalla 2 into high impedances. Given that the amps are using the same tubes, this was a bit disappointing.

So I changed the operating point to be more like Valhalla.

Boom! Distortion better.

Then I listened to it…and a decent amount of the “magic” was gone. It sounded more like a Valhalla. A bit cool. A bit, well, un-tube-like.

So what did I do?

Simple: I put it back to what it was.

And, just like that, the magic was back!

So does this mean that all tube sound is in distortion? Well, I’m sure some of it is. Some of it is going to be set by the operating points, which are different in Valhalla 2 and Folkvangr. But at the same time, setting a Valhalla 2 to run at the same operating point as Folkvangr doesn’t result in a mini Folkvangr, either. Which also makes sense because the power supplies are vastly different, and because Valhalla 2 still uses coupling capacitors.

The reality, as usual, is never simple or reducible to a single variable; basically the only thing I can say is that if you like the way Folkvangr sounds, that’s great…but if you prefer, say, Magni 3+, you’re gonna save yourself a lot of money!


What About the Future

Someone has to be sitting back there, and wondering what the future of Folkvangr is. I mean, it is a bonkers 10-tube amp, introduced at a time when tubes are heading into an uncertain horizon. What’s gonna happen in the future?

Simple: we’re making this a limited run product. We’re only gonna make a few of these. Like, 250 maximum. Hopefully there are 249 crazy people who also like it, because one’s going to me.

Beyond that? Well, nothing’s certain. Just like everything in life.

I hope you enjoy!
Why? It has been said there are two major moments in the life of every one. They day they are born and the day they find out why. Our raison d'être, if you will. Who among us would not give what ever it took to know the latter more than once in a life time? To achieve such a lofty goal is perhaps the philosophical equivalent of an orgasm for the soul. Risqué or risky? Neither...How about fun. Why not?

Well done, sir.

ORT
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:04 AM Post #95,148 of 150,657
I certainly enjoyed the short development story, thank you! I hope it's enjoyed by many.

Aside: 100C chassis temps is getting into my world. Teflon/Kapton much?
Unless you're talking toaster ovens, 100C chassis temps in consumer appliances is still pretty warm. Definitely an initial test for a Darwin Award.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:07 AM Post #95,149 of 150,657
Unless you're talking toaster ovens, 100C chassis temps in consumer appliances is still pretty warm. Definitely an initial test for a Darwin Award.
Indeed. Too warm, if it can be accessed during normal operation according to UL. I am glad Jason developed a way around that - but I am surprised he didn't have to include a tube cage.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:17 AM Post #95,152 of 150,657
I fegots to mention that my older brother bought me a semi-project yesterday. A small console stereo with tubes.
It has tubes with names like GE 12AX7, 35EH5 Output Tubes and the owner told him they test out as either new or NOS. I am going to visit my brother and his wonderful wife later in the year and am taking them a new AVR by Denon as I have really come to like HEOS and so bought one for them along with two HEOS wireless speakers for their home.

Enough ramblin'. GE Tubes must surely get me into the Kool Kids Klub. Right?

ORT
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:27 AM Post #95,153 of 150,657
Nice work @Timster
Personally, I find tubes, beer, whisky and even BBQ far more interesting than EVs :beyersmile:
I'm 69 years old, 70 in October, so at my age I'll never own an EV because the car I have now will be the last one I own.
I think that the things you find more interesting are definitely more interesting for me too.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:28 AM Post #95,154 of 150,657
Weighing in as someone who bought an EV recently-ish and waiting for delivery in (hopefully) a few months.

There's obviously an environmental aspect to it kicking in for a (I assume non-negligible) chunk of households who decide to go the EV route, mine included as we're really trying to reduce our footprint on the planet (being it reducing plastic usage, growing fruit/veggie in the backyard...), but as already mentioned by some of you the shift is as cost-effective as it's ever been.

I personally live in a country where ICE-powered cars and petrol have been for years heavily taxed with the purpose of pushing people towards greener alternatives and, with petrol now flirting with the 2.5 Euro per litre mark, driving any ICE cars has become an incredibly expensive affair. Now, in The Netherlands ICE-powered cars are so heavily taxed at purchase that the price difference one usually observes is completely levelled, making an EV an even more compelling buy (I literally saw a second hand hybrid version of the Volvo XC40 I bought going for a higher price than my new, full EV one, at the same dealership I bought mine).

I'm going to play the devil's advocate for a second: it's obviously still an evolving technology and not quite for everyone yet.
You have people who genuinely travel a lot more than average and for whom the (relatively) short range of most EVs is a hurdle. You have people who can't charge at home (because they live in apartments or other reasons) and charging on the street may be both inconvenient and expensive (although I think pretty much anywhere the unit price difference between electricity and petrol is well above an order of magnitude...so it's a bit of a moot point).

As someone living in the EU, there's only so much time left for you to buy an ICE-powered car and that means you better believe car manufacturers will adapt their ranges to serve the market accordingly, which will push EV solutions further.
As Ableza mentioned above, it's really the ideal solution for most short commutes and therefore for city cars: this is where the EV shines in terms of efficiency compared to ICE (not to mention eradicating emission from the people-packed, relatively small areas of cities) and technology trickle-downs can't come soon enough to make it a viable option for someone looking for a cheap, small car.

Of course, how you source your electricity is the main factor when you consider the "save the planet" factor. My energy provider makes electricity from renewable sources only (and mostly from within the Netherlands, 100% from the EU), which is great, but we're obviously more of an exception than the rule.

What I really hope for is a revolution in solar panel technology, to make it more accessible. I am fortunate enough to be able to feed my house with them and have a lot extra, currently sold back to the grid at market rate and, in a few months, allowing me to charge the car for free once per week. Enough power for a house and for commuting, throughout most of the year, in a country, The Netherlands, renown for gloomy, rainy weather...quite amazing, when you think about it.

Combine the above and, likely, advances in battery technology to improve range, and I can't see many people holding onto petrol cars within a few years, really.


Welp, I've put together a wall of text...

To all a question that is linked with a comment afterwards.
What will happen with the batteries when they do not function anymore and/or cannot be used for a second/third life? (also the small ones in the phones, I am being serious - I really have no clue what 'we' do with this litter)

As said before, main thing we have to solve is the storage of energy (and/or the 'toxic' parts in our air.
I believe it is going to be a mix of solutions and geographic shall play a vital role.

The speed of the dead of the petrol engine shall be determined by the opec and co, isn't it?
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:30 AM Post #95,155 of 150,657
It has tubes with names like GE 12AX7, 35EH5 Output

Enough ramblin'. NON GE Tubes must surely get me into the Bcowen Kool Kids Klub. Right?
Fixed that for you... copyright Bcowen
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:33 AM Post #95,156 of 150,657
To all a question that is linked with a comment afterwards.
What will happen with the batteries when they do not function anymore and/or cannot be used for a second/third life? (also the small ones in the phones, I am being serious - I really have no clue what 'we' do with this litter)

As said before, main thing we have to solve is the storage of energy (and/or the 'toxic' parts in our air.
I believe it is going to be a mix of solutions and geographic shall play a vital role.

The speed of the dead of the petrol engine shall be determined by the opec and co, isn't it?
Battery technology is an evolving field, and recycling/repurposing is definitely a part of that. Right now there are so few "expended" EV batteries that the need has not yet arisen, but it is a question being asked in the industry and I know of at least two companies who are actively working on means to safely reprocess/recover materials right now. The industry is quickly expanding, but it is still very early.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:36 AM Post #95,158 of 150,657
Hi Jason. Would you be willing to share your headphones of choice for this amp?....I was looking to grab a new pair and would like to know what might pair well with this. (Already purchased). I currently have a Klipsch HP-3

Thank you
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:36 AM Post #95,159 of 150,657
I know this is not a good fit for the Susvara, but what about things like the Ayra, HE1000, Ananda, etc.?
What is their impedance and what sort of power to they require?

Without Impedance Multiplier
Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 300mW RMS per channel at less than 10% THD
Maximum Power, 300 ohms: 1.2W RMS per channel at less than 10% THD

With Impedance Multiplier
Maximum Power, 32 ohms: 1.4W RMS per channel at less than 10% THD
Maximum Power, 300 ohms: 1.5W RMS per channel at less than 10% THD
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 10:37 AM Post #95,160 of 150,657
2022, Chapter 7
There Is No Why


So, Folkvangr.

Let’s ask the obvious question: Why introduce a 10-tube headphone amp now, in this crazy we-don’t-know-if-there’s-gonna-be-tubes world?

Hell, why introduce such an insane object anytime, when it runs so hot and puts out so little power and isn’t recommended with all headphones and it ain’t even balanced and measures so, ah, ungawdly awfully?

Well, in short: there is no why.

At least not if you look at it in those terms. But if you look at it as, first, an exploration into what an output transformerless and output capacitorless amplifier might work like, and then, a discovery that it sounded way more amazing than we expected, and finally, as an engineering challenge to work through to turn a rats-nest of wires into something that was reasonably safe to sell—compounded by some thermal mis-steps and tube drama—then maybe, just maybe, it might be interesting to you.

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No worries if you don’t understand it. Shelve it with $1.5 million supercars, $450,000 watches, $15,000 espresso machines, and other such over-the-top tomfoolery. That’s cool.

Or, think, “10 tubes! Mini grille! Oh so glow! Gotta have it!”

Because there’s room for both opinions. We are adults, aren’t we?

Aren’t we?



Jason’s Nagging Thought

Like Mike, I get fixated on certain ideas. You know, like Mike wanting to do a choke-input power supply amp since the 1990s. That whole obsession eventually led to Tyr.

For me, one of my biggest what-ifs revolved around the question, “What does a tube really sound like?”

And yeah, I know, you all now think I’m nuts, because you know what tubes sound like. Kinda soft and bloomy and rolled-off and syrupy and romantic, right?

Well, except that lots of tube amps don’t sound that way, and so you know that tubes are really holographic and palpable and extended and magical, and deliver inner resolution like nothing else.

And except there are tube amps that don’t sound like either of the above, and you’ve heard them be analytical or dull or bass-light or ballsy or tons of other adjectives that, let’s face it, we only half-understand, because subjective impressions are subjective, and everyone’s vocabulary is a bit different.

Aside: Yes, this is a huge problem with subjective listening. Not denying that. If you want to talk measurements, read on, we’ll get to those.

But back to the question: what do tubes sound like?

Any attempt to answer this has to start with why different tube amps can sound wildly different. And when you start poking around into tube topologies, the answer becomes obvious: most of the time, you’re not hearing the tube.

Or at least not just the tube.

You see, most tube amps fall into one of two camps:
  1. Transformer-coupled. Tubes are inherently high-voltage, low-current devices. Well, at least the ones you’d be comfortable having in your house. Water-cooled 30kW transmitter tubes might be a different story. Since they are high-voltage and low-current, and have plate impedances that might be significantly higher than a headphone or speaker driver, many tube amps use an output transformer to couple the tubes to the load. There’s nothing wrong with this, and there are some companies with spectacular output transformer design chops. But the sound of the transformer will be convolved with the tube.
  2. Output transformerless (OTL). If you parallel up enough of the highest-current-output tubes, you can choose to eliminate the output transformer. Sounds great, right? Well, there’s no such thing as a free lunch. If you’re talking about a speaker amp, it’s gonna be a lot of, like 6AS7 tubes, with the associated power requirements of 2.5 amps of heater current per tube . Headphone amps can get away with something a bit less bonkers, like Valhalla’s 6N6P or JJ’s ECC99. And if you throw out the transformer, you end up with a relatively weak amp into low-impedance loads. Plus, most OTL amps still put something between your transducer and the tube: an output coupling capacitor. So the sound of the capacitor is now convolved with the tube.
And that’s the question that always bugged me:

What would an OTL and OCL (output capacitorless) amp sound like, with the transducer connected directly to the tubes?

And it was an honest question. As in, I didn’t know if it would be great or terrible. Chicken crap or chicken salad. Transcendant or trash. It was entirely possible that “tube sound” was reliant on the output transformer or capacitor for its magic. I could design a direct-coupled tube amp and it could sound, well, absolutely terrible.

And so, for a very long time, I left the idea alone. Oh yeah, I poked at it a bit, and even drew up a version of Valhalla that was direct coupled. But that never got built.

Aside: it’s a good thing it never came to be. This is a fairly bonkers idea and needs a lot of protection wrapped around it.

But time passed, and the idea wouldn’t go away. And our stocks of 6N1P and 6N6P tubes continued growing—far more than we could use in Valhalla. And with a ton of 6N6P tubes available, I finally, in a fit of pre-COVID boredom (literally my first notes are December 31, 2019), decided to take a stab at an OTL and OCL tube amp.

I didn’t know what I would call it. Or even if it would work.

But if it did, maybe I’d finally have my answer: what does a tube sound like?


It Starts, As Many Things Do, With Total Disaster

So how did it go? About as expected: the first prototype wasn’t even listenable.

Why didn’t it make the grade? Lots of bad assumptions. The first bad assumption was that I would be able to get away with our standard flat-pack transformers. 4 of them, to be precise. Which is kinda bonkers in itself. That’s a ton of transformers.

But, early on, the 4 transformers kinda-sorta made sense. I figured I could put this crazy 10-tube amp in a Freya-sized chassis, with a thin form factor so the tubes could all hang out for better heat dissipation. 4 flat-pack transformers would allow for a Freya-thin chassis.

Aside: before you ask, this was never gonna be a balanced amp. Remember, the challenge with tubes is getting a reasonable amount of current out of them, while also minimizing output impedance. Both of these goals are diametrically opposite balanced operation. Balanced amps “see” half the load, so require twice as much current. At the same time, output impedance doubles as well. Both of these are bad. The trick with Folkvangr was always to have a bunch of output tubes in parallel, to get reasonable power output from a single-ended amp. And, since we are not wankers, we didn’t put balanced connectors on the amp to try to fool you into thinking it was really balanced.

One huge problem with flat-packs, though. They’re kinda weak. Which fubared my plan to pull full power out of the flat-packs to run the heaters. In retrospect, this was a bad assumption, for a couple of reasons:
  • It’s best to derate from the core rating a bit. 48VA doesn’t really mean 48VA, especially in audio applications when you’re going for lower field.
  • For a PCB-mounted transformer, you’re looking at long traces to run the heater AC voltage on. This isn’t such a huge deal at, say, 300mA or 600mA, but it becomes a very big deal when you’re looking at 7.2A of heater current, like in Folkvangr. So that nice 6.3V was barely 5V by the time it reached the tubes.
Sure. Fine. After that fall-on-your-face failure, I yanked the transformers and pasted in a lab power supply. Now I had decent heater voltage.

But I still didn’t have a working amp.

In fact, the DC level never got low enough for the output relay to engage. The protection systems I’d put into the prototype were keeping the amp from ever operating. Which is a good thing, because with a DC output of 5V, it wouldn’t be good for your headphones.

Aside: protection is an important subject with Folkvangr, because, let’s face it, connecting your headphones directly to tubes running on a +/-100V supply is more than a little bonkers. So, in addition to a DC servo, Folkvangr includes DC sensing and protection via relay, as well as AC sensing for fast shut-down. Still a bit bonkers. Still doesn’t keep me from using it with Grados. I would never in a million years use it with IEMs. Your risk tolerance may be higher or lower than mine. No judgement.

What I couldn’t understand, though, is why the DC servo wasn’t getting the output level down to a nice, comfortable 0V (or at least just a few mV). I mean, I’ve used DC servos forever, in everything.

I tried the usual tricks of increasing servo speed, reducing output impedance, etc. No dice. Everything stayed stubbornly at a couple of volts output.

Then, in a fit of inspiration, I thought: maybe the tubes are fighting each other. As in, the servo was trying to correct for one, but due to the inherent mismatch in tubes (even matched tubes aren’t perfect), it couldn’t correct for any of them.

So I pulled out 6 of the 8 output tubes.

Bam! DC output went immediately to zero and the amp clicked in.

Hmm.

That was great, and that also sucked. Because that meant that instead of one servo per channel, I’d need one per output tube. Not the end of the world, but complexity just went up.

Which, I realized, wasn’t such a huge deal. If this thing worked out, it wouldn’t be small, cheap, or practical. So a bit more complexity wouldn’t kill the idea.

Which is why I went ahead and did the first of the redesigns—to include a massively overdesigned single transformer (on the same size core as Vidar!) and 8 servos. Hopefully that would give me something I could listen to.


Second Chances and First Listens

The second prototype was a massive re-think. I lopped off over 1/3 of the board that had been used simply to mount the transformers, and redesigned all of what was left to include the multiple servos…as well as another idea I was playing with. More on that later.

When the big transformer came in, I laughed. It could easily be mistaken for something that belonged in a Vidar. But it plugged into the board and gave me the right volts. A few minutes with a drill and a sacrificial bottom chassis off a junk Gungnir, and I had a Frankenstein-esque open-sled prototype that turned on…and clicked in.

Still, the DC offset wasn’t exactly perfect…it was bouncing around about 30mV, which was OK-ish for many headphones, but I wouldn’t want it bouncing much more than that.

Probably due to the servos fighting each other, I thought. I brought the servo time constant down a bit, and the DC performance got a lot better. Good enough to have a listen.

I packed up the whole thing, took it home, and plugged it into the output of my Gungnir Multibit at home.

I turned it on, waited until the tubes started glowing, and heard the relay click in. Time for a listen.

For the heck of it, I started with the Grado Hemp, a headphone I know well.

And…

Holy schiit…

I mean, I literally sat there, mouth hanging open. Finally Rina came and found me because she was tired of waiting for dinner.

I tried to tell her how good it was, but she wasn’t having any of it. “That’s what you say about all your new products,” she told me.

“Not all of them,” I said.

“Most of them. Unless they really suck.”

And she did have a point. New toy syndrome can be really, really bad. It’s way worse when it’s new-creation syndrome. I’ve joked before that the amp I like best is the one I designed most recently, and, while not totally accurate, the allure of a new design has to be taken into account.

“So you should listen to it,” I told her.

“Nope.” She shook her head. “This one is all yours.”

“Why?”

“Because you clearly like it. And I can feel the heat coming off it from here.”

And she was right. I was sitting in a chair next to the amp, and I could clearly feel the radiant heat from the tubes. I looked sheepish.

“Yeah,” Rina said. “That’s stupid.”

“But it sounds good!”

She rolled her eyes. “Where’s dinner?”

And that was that. At least for a while. I went back to the amp—as yet unnamed—that night, and confirmed, yes, to me, it was doing some very special stuff. I tried a number of headphones, from LCD-2s to HD-650s, and it was kinda, well, universally good.

Which probably meant it was a bit too “tubey,” I thought.

But I decided I didn’t care. It sounded spectacular.

Now I had to figure out how to make it a real product.


Fools Rush In (Where Smarter Engineers Run)

Making it into a real product was way easier said than done. I had no real idea of how the chassis would work, with a giant transformer that was wayyy thicker than a Freya profile. It was a whole new chassis design for us. Which would also mean new packaging.

Sounds like not a big deal? Well, it was. We don’t take on new packaging lightly, because it takes up a ton of room in the facility and increases complexity. I think I sold Alex on the idea mainly because:
  • He knew I liked the way it sounded.
  • He liked the idea of getting rid of tons of tubes.
  • I promised him I’d come up with a chassis we could use for other products (though I still don’t quite know what those other products are).
Eventually, I came up with an idea for a tall chassis that had a center “scoop” that lowered the level of the chassis to nearer the tubes, so they could dissipate heat in the open air. (Or so I thought—more on that later, too.)

But even with the basic idea for the chassis nailed down, there were a couple of intractable issues, including a large transient when turning the product off, and hum with sensitive headphones.

Aside: how much hum? I don’t know. I just know it was audible with Grados in high gain. I didn’t have numbers because I had already made a decision not to measure the product until near the end, so that I wouldn’t be influenced by what it measured like.

The transient and hum meant another redesign—this one to include an AC sensor to shut everything down quickly on turn-off, and to improve the power supply filtering (going to a discrete complementary pair cap multiplier design, used on three rails in the amp).

Those changes solved the huge glitch on power-down and the audible hum, but they didn’t solve my heartburn with my other grand idea—that is, including an impedance multiplier as a switchable option.

“Impedance multiplier?” you ask. “What the heck is that?”

Yeah. I mentioned another one of my wacky ideas, so now’s the time to talk it through. From the start, this crazy 10-tube amp included a solid-state impedance multiplier. This is a circuit that makes any load connected to the amp seem like it’s 8x its actual impedance. So if you connect a Grado, at 32 ohms, the amp sees it as 256 ohms with the impedance multiplier switched in.

“Wait a sec!” some are saying. “That sounds like a transformer!”

It’s not a transformer. It’s electronics—in this case, it’s based on the TPA6120 headphone driver IC.

“So it’s a buffer, it’s cheating!” you cry.

Well, it’s not a buffer. Maybe it is cheating. But it is defeatable. Switch the impedance multiplier off, and it’s completely out of the picture. Not even its protection diodes remain in the circuit. You can have pure tube output whenever you want. Or…you can use the impedance multiplier, to increase Folkvangr’s ability to drive more difficult loads.

Aside: it was about this time in development that I started referring to the amp as “Folkvangr,” which is kinda like Valhalla, except you have to be personally selected by Freya to go there…so, yeah, I know, kinda loose, but it works, doesn’t it?

“Oh no, not so fast,” someone cries. “You can’t distract us with silly names. How is this impedance multiplier not just a buffer?”

Simple: it’s not a buffer, because even when switched in, the output of Folkvangr doesn’t change character. The distortion residual is exactly the same. It takes its cues from the tube output; it doesn’t add its own.

“Nah, no way, not buying it!” some tube die-hards are saying, crossing their arms. “You’re telling me you added a solid-state stage—”

An optional solid-state stage, I have to add.

“—optional solid-state whatever, and it doesn’t affect the way the tube output sounds?”

Ah no, I didn’t say that. I did say the distortion character is unchanged. It does change the sound, but perhaps not in the unpleasant ways you expect. I tried it, I agonized over keeping it or losing it, and, in the end, decided to keep it, because it makes Folkvangr a more versatile amp.

Aside: and, to be totally clear, “more versatile” does not mean, “will drive IEMs and HE-6s.” In fact, we can’t recommend this amp for IEMs at all. Its DC output does bounce around a bit…it shouldn’t be a problem, but I personally wouldn’t use it for highly sensitive IEMs. Nor is is gonna light the world on fire with power output, even with the impedance multiplier switched in. But for an OTL tube amp, it’s pretty versatile.

So yeah, chassis changes, electrical changes, additional prototypes, new metal, lots of angst. Are we done yet?

Not quite.

Not when the first prototypes hit 100 degrees C on the top chassis.

That’s not just hot. That’s, ah, unsellable.


Up On The Mezzanine

Here’s what made it worse: the prototypes hitting 100 degrees C were prototypes using the already-finished, production “muffin tin,” which was our silly name for the complex, deep-drawn stamping that was designed to keep heat out of the chassis.

Yeah. So much for that design.

On reflection, the problem was clear: the tubes were still set too deep within the chassis, and were pumping heat directly into the “muffin tin,” which then resulted in sky-high operating temperatures. What we needed to do was to raise the tubes up.

Now, raising the tubes sounds easy, but options are actually very limited:
  1. Give everyone a set of socket savers with every amp. Yeah, no. Many of those parts don’t have the most confidence-inspiring build quality. Plus, it seems soooooo cheesy.
  2. Design and produce super-tall custom tube sockets. We actually looked into this. It turned out to be impractical for us in the end.
  3. Put the tubes on a higher board—a mezzanine board—to get them at the right height.
Option No. 3 is the one we went for in the end. It actually worked out very well, reducing chassis temperatures to below 50 degrees C, and also allowing us to have more direct connections to critical power supply traces, improving performance.

And, ah, performance…remember I said I wasn’t measuring Folkvangr until the end?

Yeah. I finally did. And, while it was not horrifying from the tube amp point of view, it wasn’t as good as, well, even Valhalla 2 into high impedances. Given that the amps are using the same tubes, this was a bit disappointing.

So I changed the operating point to be more like Valhalla.

Boom! Distortion better.

Then I listened to it…and a decent amount of the “magic” was gone. It sounded more like a Valhalla. A bit cool. A bit, well, un-tube-like.

So what did I do?

Simple: I put it back to what it was.

And, just like that, the magic was back!

So does this mean that all tube sound is in distortion? Well, I’m sure some of it is. Some of it is going to be set by the operating points, which are different in Valhalla 2 and Folkvangr. But at the same time, setting a Valhalla 2 to run at the same operating point as Folkvangr doesn’t result in a mini Folkvangr, either. Which also makes sense because the power supplies are vastly different, and because Valhalla 2 still uses coupling capacitors.

The reality, as usual, is never simple or reducible to a single variable; basically the only thing I can say is that if you like the way Folkvangr sounds, that’s great…but if you prefer, say, Magni 3+, you’re gonna save yourself a lot of money!


What About the Future

Someone has to be sitting back there, and wondering what the future of Folkvangr is. I mean, it is a bonkers 10-tube amp, introduced at a time when tubes are heading into an uncertain horizon. What’s gonna happen in the future?

Simple: we’re making this a limited run product. We’re only gonna make a few of these. Like, 250 maximum. Hopefully there are 249 crazy people who also like it, because one’s going to me.

Beyond that? Well, nothing’s certain. Just like everything in life.

I hope you enjoy!

Hi Jason. Would you be willing to share your headphones of choice for this amp?....I was looking to grab a new pair and would like to know what might pair well with this. (Already purchased). I currently have a Klipsch HP-3

Thank you
 

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