Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

[bcowen]

But there are a few Melz 6n1p hiding in obscurity.

You sure? I bought some on Ebay a while back advertised as Melz. Yeah... they weren't. Not sure Melz made a 6N1P either, but don't know that as a fact.

 

[earnmyturns]

There aren't any 1-bit delta-sigma DACs anymore, so any modern DS DAC will require some sort of resampling of DSD. The purest way of listening to DSD is with a resistor, as the OG Loki did.

The Holo DACs I own do it (proprietary discrete circuit), as do some other DACs (RME ADI-2 FS, among others) that use standard chip DACs that allow filter/modulator bypass.

 

[Timster]

Vespa GTS 300, the only way to getaway.

These also work quite well...

 

[bcowen]

Well crap, send me some Fotons. Finnegan keeps losing his cat toys and could use some new ones. Wait, do you actually try to use those as vacuum tubes???

I am wide awake and will be so till the monsters come out.

Foton, futon, practically the same thing.

You don't have anything that uses a 6N6P. Until then, you shall remain a padawan.

When you can snatch the Fotons from my hand, grasshopper....

 

[Paladin79]

You don't have anything that uses a 6N6P. Until then, you shall remain a padawan.

When you can snatch the Fotons from my hand, grasshopper....

Hey I have noval sockets in some equipment somewhere! What’s the worst that can happen to Fotons? They are destroyed and the world is a better place. Geesh you are like a mother hen protecting a Foton brood.

 

[earnmyturns]

The OG version:

Nothing sux like a VAX {edit: from ads in 1979-81, Digital)

VAX/VMS did suck rocks, the most complicated ways of doing the simplest things. OTOH, VAX with BSD 4.x was magic, some of the most fun I had coding in my career.

 

[Godaisan]

So, I've been downsizing and have changed my office into primarily a headphone station. I still have my KEF LS50s though and am pondering what to do with them. I never play them loud, around 70 dB in my small office (12 x 12). I had been driving them with Freya S and Vidar but that was, frankly, overkill.

Perhaps I ought to really simplify and consider driving them with Mimir as a digital preamp with a Gjallahorn F instead. I'd been considering a Kara F with a Vidar 2F but Mimir+Gjallahorn F is roughly one-third the cost. I wonder how'd that work. Anyone out there tried driving LS50s from a single Gjallahorn in a small room at moderate volumes?

Ditto. Listening to @Ripper2860 typically excellent nightly musical suggestion right now, and damn is that trio funky live. Tons of fun. Thinking I ought to buy this one to support those dudes. It sounds fantastic on my HD 800s fed by Folkvangr tonight.

Hm, did some important announcement happen or something?

I drive mine with a pair in mono but haven’t tried a single in stereo. You could start with one and add another down the road if you need more grip.

 

[theeclone]

The Holo DACs I own do it (proprietary discrete circuit), as do some other DACs (RME ADI-2 FS, among others) that use standard chip DACs that allow filter/modulator bypass.

True, though as you say in the case of Holo it's a proprietary circuit, and not 1 bit at the hardware level, where a bitstream is represented by positive or negative rails voltages that are simply lowpass filtered in the analog domain. They call it "vector step", where somehow (unknown how, since it's proprietary) a 1 bit data stream is converted to analog on a resistor network.

No idea how sabre or AKM DS chips actually handle DSD but they are inherently multibit delta sigma, and I would imagine some kind of conversion would have to take place from one bit to multiple bits.

 

[earnmyturns]

From a technical standpoint it doesn't make sense, but somehow passive Ethernet filtering really does make a very unmistakable noticeable difference for better subjective sound with vs without it in the chain. YMMV, but you should try one and hear it for yourself 60-day money back guarantee from Network Acoustics themselves. Yes you can get medical grade SMPS powered by batteries for your switch and just literally insert the eno2 streaming system or muon pro streaming system in between and A/B extensively.

Sigh. The way digital data is carried electrically, there are always stray high frequencies, Ethernet or not. The answer is to get streamers and DACs that actually keep high frequencies in the digital side out of the analog side.

 

[rkw]

Will there be any reviews or comparisons between the Byggy and the previous multibit editions any time soon?

There will be an avalanche of reviews and comparisons around August/September (the estimated ship date). Depends on whether you consider that to be soon.

 

[bevanc]

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[sickmonkey]

I keep hearing this, but it makes no technical sense (to me). Ethernet is transformer-coupled, asynchronous. People make it worse by using shielded cables and other thoughtless options that carry groundplane noise. Just don't, Ethernet was designed by people who knew what they were doing. In my experience, the real culprits are the cheap SMPS bricks that come with Ethernet switches, which inject high-frequency junk into the AC circuit that the streamer/DAC is also on. Use decent medical-grade SMPS or switches with better power supplies, and the problem is solved.

I am in this camp. I use a lot of STP in industrial environment. Shielding has to be done proper else it becomes problematic. I have to check for leaks and such. I can find > 500ma dc easily of current difference. This will get your attention. STP is necessary in this environment with 480, VFD and such in tight spaces. Combine that with poorly designed devices and you have issues. In a home environment with a little planning, not so much.

 

[Les Strat]

From a technical standpoint it doesn't make sense, but somehow passive Ethernet filtering really does make a very unmistakable noticeable difference for better subjective sound with vs without it in the chain. YMMV, but you should try one and hear it for yourself 60-day money back guarantee from Network Acoustics themselves. Yes you can get medical grade SMPS powered by batteries for your switch and just literally insert the eno2 streaming system or muon pro streaming system in between and A/B extensively.

+1

Well said @theveterans!

Don’t dismiss ethernet filtering until you’ve tried it!

We all have our opinions and the objectivist/subjectivist debate rumbles on.

The ‘theory’ behind good audio gear fascinates me, but all I really care about is the enjoyment I can get from listening to recorded music.

I was a complete sceptic, but a Network Acoustics ‘eno2 streaming system’ together with a £15 TP Link ethernet switch and a £70 iFi power supply, has transformed the sound of my aged streamer; so much so, that, to my ears, it is now at least as good as a very high quality CD transport- in fact, I think it sounds better!

That is something which I never thought would happen!

 

[Moondog55]

You sure? I bought some on Ebay a while back advertised as Melz. Yeah... they weren't. Not sure Melz made a 6N1P either, but don't know that as a fact.

Supposedly they were made in the late 50's, sometimes referred to as Black Label. That's from multiple sources including a couple of 'stores.' Maybe it's a conspiracy theory. Maybe they're rebranded Fotons.

 

[bevanc]

Entering day 3 of no power in Pittsburgh. Getting kind of annoyed right now. But I partook in a little retail therapy last night, so a Mimir and. Valhalla 3 were ordered in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep. Yes good people at Schitt, the order at 2am was me.