Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

Jan 13, 2025 at 2:28 PM Post #178,546 of 191,401
I am reading Paul's book "99% True" - it's really good! - and I'm just at the point where they dissolved Genesis and Paul and Terri maxed out their credit cards to re-start PS Audio. He is just getting into the development of their PowerPlant products in 1977-1978. As I get further into the book, if I see anything about DACs, I'll report out here.

Meanwhile, I asked my best LLM buddy (ChatGPT o1) the question: "In consumer audio, what company released the first stand-alone digital to analog converter (DAC) for use in high-fidelity systems?" Here's what it said:

Thought about first standalone DAC in audio for 31 seconds... <= [ I wonder how many tons of CO2 it took to run this query? ]

Clicking on the query response reveals ChatGPT o1's "thought process", in it's own voice - quite amazing, actually:

Tracing the origins
I'm pulling together the history of consumer hi-fi audio systems to identify the first stand-alone DAC. Brands like Sony, Arcam, and Meridian are potential pioneers, but Audio Alchemy in the mid to late 1980s seems plausible.

Tracing the timeline
I’m gathering info on the potential pioneers: Stax X-1T from 1986, Arcam "Black Box" from 1987, and possibly earlier obscure brands like California Audio Labs.

Pinpointing the pioneer
OK, let me see. The Stax DAC-TAL "X0C" seems to be the earliest known consumer stand-alone DAC, marking a significant step in high-fidelity audio systems in the mid-1980s.

Tracking the pioneer
It’s clear that Stax was the trailblazer, producing the earliest known stand-alone DAC for consumer hi-fi in the mid-1980s. This innovation sparked a significant shift in the market.

Verifying the timeline
Piecing together the Stax model history, confirming the "DAC-TAL" as the earliest stand-alone DAC in 1986, while also noting other early models like the "DA-300" and the pioneer "X-1T".

Pinpointing the brand
I'm setting the record straight: the Stax brand, specifically the model "X-1," is credited with the first stand-alone DAC for consumer hi-fi, available since 1986.

[ Stunning, eh? :) ]

Here's the query response:

According to most audio historians and hi-fi publications, Stax (the Japanese company best known for its electrostatic headphones) is widely credited with releasing the first stand-alone consumer digital-to-analog converter (DAC). Stax introduced its DAC in the mid-1980s—typically cited as 1986—predating other early external DACs from brands like Arcam and Meridian.



Why Stax?​

  1. Mid-1980s Release
    Stax launched a separate DAC unit when the consumer CD player market was still young. At that time, digital audio was primarily available only via integrated CD players (i.e., the transport and DAC were housed in the same component).
  2. Proof-of-Concept for Separate DAC
    Stax’s product proved that offloading D/A conversion to a dedicated box could yield superior audio quality. By giving the DAC its own circuitry, separate power supply, and better shielding, the design reduced noise and jitter.
  3. Pioneering the Idea of “Separates” in Digital
    In the analog era, audiophiles embraced “separates”—stand-alone preamps, power amps, phono stages—to reduce interference and improve fidelity. Stax essentially applied the same approach to digital audio, laying the groundwork for what would become a major trend in hi-fi.


Other Early Stand-Alone DACs​

  • Arcam “Black Box” (1986/1987): Among the very first from a British manufacturer, it quickly became popular in the UK audiophile scene.
  • Meridian & Theta Digital: Soon followed with their own externally housed DACs, designed for high-end music systems.
Though brands like Arcam often get mentioned as early pioneers, the consensus is that Stax beat them to market by a modest margin.




By releasing the first stand-alone DAC, Stax introduced a design philosophy that would evolve into an entire market segment: the external “digital front end.” This architecture remains prevalent today, whether in desktop USB DACs or high-end audio separates.

Thoughts?
Mike Moffat posted in his thread that the first Theta Digital DAC was developed circa 1983.
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 2:41 PM Post #178,547 of 191,401
From there....

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Another good one from that list is Leprous. The singer's dynamic range is quite wide.
And for those not liking growls, listen to one of Opeth's later albums. They started out as a death metal band, then turned more progressive.
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 2:52 PM Post #178,548 of 191,401
Another good one from that list is Leprous. The singer's dynamic range is quite wide.
And for those not liking growls, listen to one of Opeth's later albums. They started out as a death metal band, then turned more progressive.

I've appreciated Opeth's music right up to the point the growl starts. What's one of those later albums?
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 2:54 PM Post #178,549 of 191,401
I've appreciated Opeth's music right up to the point the growl starts. What's one of those later albums?
Try Pale Communion. Could be my favorite of theirs.
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 2:57 PM Post #178,550 of 191,401
You're just jealous because you don't have a cat. :rolling_eyes:

I can fix that for him. Got his address? :smiling_imp:

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Jan 13, 2025 at 3:03 PM Post #178,551 of 191,401
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I did get started on solid cherry shelves for my record and turntable rack. As long as I dress warm enough and keep moving my shop is bearable.🤪 I may even end up with a space for vacuum tube storage as well as turntable accoutrements. I only need four shelves but I hope to also make an isolation platform as well.
 
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Jan 13, 2025 at 3:09 PM Post #178,552 of 191,401
I must mention "In Absentia"! Crazy good album, and a go-to pretty much weekly for me.

How could one not love Porcupine Tree? Porcupine Tree are an English rock band formed by musician Steven Wilson in 1987.
They went heavy with some of those riffs on that album! With a couple of early exceptions, one could really just name any PT album as a good starting point.
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 4:06 PM Post #178,553 of 191,401
Jan 13, 2025 at 4:10 PM Post #178,554 of 191,401
Try Pale Communion. Could be my favorite of theirs.

Thanks. Not only did I get through a full Opeth song, I finished the album. Somewhat reminiscent of the prog I listened to in the mid to late 70's. As an example, look up Ocean by Eloy.
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 4:51 PM Post #178,555 of 191,401
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I did get started on solid cherry shelves for my record and turntable rack. As long as I dress warm enough and keep moving my shop is bearable.🤪 I may even end up with a space for vacuum tube storage as well as turntable accoutrements. I only need four shelves but I hope to also make an isolation platform as well.
Like wood, walnut, oak, beech, etc. but cherry is and has always been my favorite. Lovely, just great pieces.
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 4:59 PM Post #178,556 of 191,401
I'm really happy to see some people expanding their musical horizons as a result of this discussion. I say listen to all music. Give up your preconceptions. Explore. It's all good in its own way, even if some of it is not to your individual taste. But how will you know if you don't try? Limiting yourself to one or two styles you liked as a teenager means you miss out on a whole 'nother world that's right there under your cursor...
+100 Internet points, sir. 👍🏻
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 5:11 PM Post #178,557 of 191,401
Like wood, walnut, oak, beech, etc. but cherry is and has always been my favorite. Lovely, just great pieces.
It is one of my favorites as well for this kind of construction. Readily available; these five pieces were under $200. I may have to order more for my isolation platform, I just remembered I want a shelf for a phono preamp and another for accessories unless I can combine the two.🤪 I prefer the turntable platform is 2-3” thick but we will see. I am debating which turntable to use, I would love to build a plinth for a Luxman but I am thinking more of looks and ease of build along with SQ. Cherry shelves with either tiger or birdseye maple plinths could work. I also need a place to set this.IMG_6476.jpeg
 
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Jan 13, 2025 at 5:22 PM Post #178,558 of 191,401
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In the interest of expanded musical minds, and piggybacking off recent metal discussions, I offer British post-metal/black metal band Svalbard as I happened to just receive this beauty in the mail today. This one veers into that folksy melodic black metal vein I mentioned earlier with tasteful growly hardcore vocals that enhance the drive and rhythm of the music, and the music itself develops well--it goes somewhere and does something as it tells its story. Interspersed are some lovely interludes with female (normal) vocals and soaring guitar lines. Some energetic bass grooves and fiery drumming, too! This album can be a very good gateway into the black metal genre.

In fact, this band's label, Translation Loss, has a very good roster of bands to explore. Not all are to my taste but Un, Oryx, Wake, Grayceon, and We Lost The Sea are bands that have intrigued me quite a bit over the last handful of years I've been wandering the black metal paths. Cheers!
 
Jan 13, 2025 at 5:27 PM Post #178,559 of 191,401
Like wood, walnut, oak, beech, etc. but cherry is and has always been my favorite. Lovely, just great pieces.
Much of our furniture is Cherry (inherited from my parents: 2 bedroom dressers, headboard, a dining room buffet, and separate cabinet, and all our kitchen cabinets in this new (to us) house.

Trying to find the time/gumption to call a local sawyer with a portable saw-mill; I’ve a pile of 20+ inch long, Cherry logs ranging from 10” to 24” in diameter from a tree that came down a few months back…. I figure he can “plank it up” for me to age and then perhaps work into shelving, or some such…
 

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Jan 13, 2025 at 5:30 PM Post #178,560 of 191,401
I did the same on my Limelight green/black '69 GTX w/ the 440 6 pack
I put them on my first car, 1973 Firebird back in college in ‘78… after I moved to Boston in January 1981, I sold it after about a year of struggling to use it here in winters…. Wish I’d have kept it in a garage (it was a native AZ car, so no rust/rot)… because what I could do with it TODAY, would be epic; like maybe an LS swap, and suspension improvements. Drove it cross country once, and to/from SoCal for a year when I lived in greater LA (Fullerton, and then Corona) whilst on engineering coop with Hughes Aircraft corp. it was a fun and sexy looking car…
 

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