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Quite frankly, the point I'm trying to make is that you are arrogant and selfish (I had a few other words but I didn't want to have to ban myself). What is it about "extending your trust" you don't understand. People sent this guy $400to $500 dollars, some 2 years before they ever saw their amp, which was as likely to be broken as not. The point of this is that know one should extend their trust to him again. The point of this is that he shouldn't get free press over here after what he did.
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Are you serious? So, you're telling me you weren't aware of the fact that it's a risk involved when pre-ordering something and paying in full? Although I don't have the specifics on hand, isn't the same thing happening with the Westone3? People pre-ordered and over one year from now have nothing in hand? It's a risk you take. And if you gave him money WHEN YOU FULL WELL KNEW HE WAS SHODDY TO BEGIN WITH, that is infact, a funny, but sad story of a fool and his money. Obviously at the time, if you knew of his history, you felt compelled enough to pre-order
despite his history.
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Again, pointing out that you are selfish and your belief is screw everyone else. If you were really aware of the "sense of community" you would understand why people feel so strongly about this. It's you inability to either understand or care that is making so many angry. Yes, people should be responsible for their own actions as you should be for insisting on helping to promote a product with the history this one has.
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Sense of community? Well if you're really for the community, why aren't you inviting to the idea of more information being given? Obviously bad press will more than do what you intended rather than leaving people the curiosity in mind. You're being a hypocrite by saying you're only censoring profane language, obscene actions and things getting out of hand, rather than a legitimate review of a product, no matter how ill its past is. Do you really have THAT BIG of a jaded opinion where you're willing to compromise the sanctity of non-biased reviews? Sad as it may be, because it shows, you're not open minded much to anything else if the possibly is here for the "cause" of your agenda by making him look bad....
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Are you that dense? I for one would rather not hear about any product from Larry. I don't want to hear about the PRII, Diablo or any other product he makes. What he did was despicable. It's not a matter for me of stopping people from buying it, it is stopping people from buying because they read about it on Head-Fi. I don't think he should have the opportunity to receive praise on this website after what he did. By the way, I heard the Diablo for a while, compared to bunch of other portables and it wasn't so good.
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So if it's only so so, why are you scared of a review that may very well say the same thing as your portion of that post? Why aren't you jumping down peoples throats whenever you hear about a PRII? Me dense? If you could get it past your close-minded attitude, you would see that, but you'd rather keep it censored, and hypocritically keep information hidden rather than possible bad press. You say the mods don't censor, but when even the SLIGHTEST variance from YOUR beliefs, you go throwing a moderator fist in the air talking about a private website and giving up the very same free speech that you say you allow as long as it's not vulgar.
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You think this is about "varying degrees of customer satisfaction"? Do you really believe that's what happened here, a few people didn't get the service they should have? How many times do you have to hear the stories of what he did. I'm telling people what they should or shouldn't be curious about. I'm say, again, that Larry shouldn't have any opportunity of getting any favorable press on Head-Fi. Do you get it yet? Censorship? You bet. You left your right to free speech at the door when you walked through the door and entered a privately owned website.
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Yes it is verying degrees of customer satisfaction. Some people have gotten thier amps, and others haven't. So bluntly, YES! How many times do you have to hear stories of people who had GOOD experiences with him to see that's it's not COMPLETELY a one sided sword? It may be sharper on that end, but it's definitly double sided, especially when I'm talking from experience of having nothing but pleasant eMail contact with him. Also, the people I've had contact with that HAVE them, have also had nothing but pleasant experiences with multiple exchanges of defective units. Even if they were defective, the situation was ammended and a working unit was sent out, even if it was faulty unit after faulty unit. ANd guess what? That's YOUR OPINION if you think the amps is so-so, as they're enjoying thier working Diablo's. Again, although it is sharper on the bad end, it's definitly not a single sided sword.
Again you'd rather keep it censored, and hypocritically keep information hidden rather than possible bad press which you're encouraging right now! You say the mods don't censor, but when even there's the SLIGHTEST variance from YOUR beliefs, you go throwing a moderator fist in the air talking about a private website and giving up the very same free speech that you say you condone as long as it's not vulgar.
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If you completely understood where I was coming from you wouldn't have to ask the second part of that sentence. You are saying screw everybody, it's their problem. You've said it over and over again. When I said it should be posted it was followed by stating so people can do just as they are doing in this thread. Foot in your mouth, oh yeah.
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I do understand, but your too hot-headed, illogical, and close-minded to stop and think that this can possibly go the way you want. Not saying it is, but you're not even inviting to the possibility and would rather raise your mod fist about "this is going to go my way". Great way to be inviting and passionate about this hobby if you're wanting to cease and desist anything against your own beliefs simply because you have the power to. That's not passionate about the hobby OR community if you'd rather withold information, than let it be known to the community both the positives and negatives and let
THEM decide what they should do.
And bluntly speaking, if it came to your own well-being over somebody elses and it wasn't at your expense or of your fault (lets say, applying for a job), don't even be a hypocrite by lying and saying you would be considerate of the other persons well-being. Everybody IS out for themselves. I have no problem saying that truth, as when it boils down to it, all you care about is YOU beating the competition or getting the job. So think about that the next time you say you're not "out for yourself". Don't try to act so compassionate about it all, when in reality, you're not, and you're just pissed you and/or good friends and holding your own agenda. It's understandable, but I'de actually have more respect for you if you'de come out and say it that way, rather than masking it as "caring for others".
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I think you might finally be getting it.
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I feel bad here, because I feel as if I suckered you into saying that, but in reality, it shows the truth about YOURSELF. You'd rather hold an agenda, instead of
letting people in the community know what things are REALLY about, whether it be good or bad, and letting them make their own choices. Hopefully, you never run for president or become a news anchor, lol.
