[Review] Astell and Kern AK320 - Ramblings of a Young Old Fool.

Sep 21, 2016 at 4:29 PM Post #16 of 23
http://ohm-image.net/opinion/audiophile/ak-dap-mini-shootout-why-subjective-volume-matching-is-a-waste-of-time
http://ohm-image.net/opinion/audiophile/what-volume-matching-isnt
 
Volume matching by ear alone isn't very reliable.
abx volume matched blind testing using an spl meter on a short portion of a track multiple times to see if you can correctly identify a source from another is ideal to reduce possible expectation bias and placebo.
Anyways, good luck with the testing.
 
Sep 28, 2016 at 4:01 PM Post #18 of 23
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]Haven't been banned yet. So far, so good. So here goes...[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][/color]
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]I got a chance last Saturday to make a more detailed comparison of the line-out between the X7 and the AK380. (Previously, I'd been listening to an AK320 - it's a long story, but I wasn't able to get hold of an AK320 last weekend, however, I was only playing redbook FLAC, so output from AK320 or AK380 should have been identical.) This time I used a double-pole switch with two identical cables running from each DAP's LO, with a third cable feeding the analog line-in on the KSE1500. I matched the SPLs of each LO using the "Sound Meter" app on my S7 Edge, leaving the overall gain to be adjusted via the KSE1500 volume control. The RP switch I used allows me to immediately flick back and forth between the two sources. I put duplicate microSD cards into each player and made sure any EQ, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc., was disabled on both devices. The X7 was booted into Pure Music mode.[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][/color]
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]I spent about 20 minutes going back and forth between the two sources playing (what I consider to be) good-quality recordings by Porcupine Tree, Glass Hammer and Big Big Train, which cover drums, some wide vocal ranges, acoustic and electric guitar, bass, brass, etc. The bottom line was, after about 20 minutes, I could tell absolutely no difference between the two sources. None whatsoever. Now, as it happened, another headfi buddy of mine (who'd first demo'd me his AK320 and told me about its good-quality dual-DACs) was present and I asked him to listen. I won't embarrass him by mentioning his name here, but he'll know who he is if he reads this ;-) He was gracious enough to accept the challenge and I would like to thank him for helping in this little test. I gave this guy the switch, without telling him which switch position corresponded to which DAP (this switch box is set up so there's no way of seeing which device you're currently connected to). After some time, he conceded the two were very close. When I pushed him into making a choice, he chose the current "down" position on the switch, saying that he felt the treble was very slightly more detailed. Interestingly, he chose the X7 :-) However, like most things in life, things aren't always that simple. We then hooked up a couple of other DAPs, including a Hugo TT (fed from the optical out of the AK380) and we were both able to correctly distinguish the TT from the X7. I will say I found the differences in SQ from the X7 LO to the TT LO (both driving the KSE1500 again) were pretty small, and I'm not 100% sure how accurate a test this really was. For example, EMI/RFI often comes and goes (at least on the X7), we had a different brand of cable feeding from the TT, and because of the discrete digital volume steps on all these devices, I was initially only able to volume-match within about 0.2 dB, and those differences might have been amplified slightly if the volume were raised on the KSE1500 (I didn't, but other listeners were free to do so).[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][/color]
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]Summary: Firstly, Eke, you just saved me the $$$ for a new AK320. Thanks buddy - I owe you one! On the other hand, there were a couple of other DAP comparisons we made that day (also volume matched) where we were both able to hear differences. I don't think the differences were significant enough for me to go and buy a Hugo TT or a Dave, even if they were portable and a whole lot less money. To say that these differences are always negligible might be a stretch - that might be the other extreme from folks that claim "night and day" differences. Notwithstanding the issue of noise floor - I do agree with you Eke, that the differences between most modern, good-quality DAPs are more about features than significant differences in sound. But again, that's only my perspective with my ears and my headphones. I can accept that others (especially those with ridiculously hard-to-drive over-ear headphones) might hear more significant differences, especially when also flexing the amps of the various DAPs.[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)][/color]
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[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]The one take-away for me from all this was just how difficult it is (with discrete, fixed-increment volume steps and all the other bells and whistles and options in these modern DAPS) to do an honest, volume-matched comparison. [/color]
 
Apr 23, 2018 at 4:25 PM Post #19 of 23
My thought exactly, as a researcher leading R&D teams for a living.
Unfortunately, there are ZERO company selling DAPs/Amps around here coming up with decent science behind their marketing...

And company size doesn't matter, they all sell pseudo-science made up for the masses, in the pure "try it, you'll see" style.
And they don't even bother selling better spec sheets that would at least justify these 1000+$ pricings, or UI with new functions.

These days you start to find smartphones under 500$ with 4-6Gb ram and 128Gb rom, but audio companies keep selling you DAPS with 32/64Gb internal rom and one micro-sd that they advertise for Hi-Res music.
Seriously, if you're truely going to sell Hi-Res, anything below 256Gb (internal) is a joke.
 
Jul 8, 2020 at 1:34 PM Post #21 of 23
Introduction/Preamble











There are very few things about my life that I would consider certainties. Skepticism is my natural reaction to information that is not founded in some sort of established fact. Amplifying this behavior is the last several years of post grad work that has bent my mind into doubting anything that isn't peer-reviewed and based in solid science. As a result, I'm quite reluctant to believe many things.

I'm also very quick to question my own actions and emotions. I often find myself in a retrospective state, wondering why I exploded at the jaywalker who nearly bloodied my windshield with his forehead, or to a lesser extent the Subway employee who forgot my oatmeal raisin cookies. My most fundamental internal struggle comes from the desire to reconcile the contrast between my faith that has been instilled in me since childhood and the struggle for significance when I know I my existence is simply a whisper in the evolutionary timeline that has extended billions of years before me, and will continue long past everything I know and love fades from memory.

There are only two things I know for sure. First, that I love my mother with all my heart and, secondly, music is the greatest gift I've received.

I've always had a love for music, as I believe most people do, but music has been for a fail-safe language for things I can't fully communicate verbally, from apologies, to playing John Mayer's Slow Dancing in a Burning Room to a significant other to end the relationship. My music library is comprised of songs that have been the soundtrack to my life, and it is as eclectic as I am: the Jamaican who has traveled much of the world and lived among people of different cultures, whose favorite band is Mumford and Sons, who enjoys cassoulet au canard as much as jerk chicken, and is as much photographer as I am pharmacist. However, I don't think I'd truly experienced music until I stumbled across the head-fi thread that led to my purchase of the Shure SE-215 years ago, followed by the Vsonic GR07. I remember laying in bed with the lights off, when the first few bars of Mumford and Sons' Sigh No More album started playing. I remember feeling the walls of the studio around me, the slow building of the music, the first lines of the song, followed by some of my favorite lines in song history...



Love; it will not betray you

Dismay or enslave you, it will set you free

Be more like the man you were made to be


There is a design, an alignment to cry

Of my heart to see,

The beauty of love as it was made to be




I had heard this song a few times prior to this moment, but this was different. With my new earphones I felt like I was living the music, the addition of gear seemingly removing a thick shroud that previously prevented me from truly connecting to my music.
After this I went on a mad rampage of rediscovering all my music, something I'm sure most of you can relate to. Vivaldi finally spoke to me, and Elvis seemed new again. I was firmly in honeymoon territory.

After a while I decided I wanted more, and that feeling never went away. Since then I've owned and extensively auditioned dozens of IEMs, headphones, and DAPs, some of the setups being the equivalent of a semester of my college tuition. Each successive "level" of gear I ascended to left me more critical of the one I just left. Treble that seemed sparkly to me before now appeared excessively peaky and grating. Bass that pounded excitement into my skull now appeared boomy and overshadowing of the midrange. However, I did gain an appreciation for critical listening and being able to pick out what I wanted in my listening experience.

In between the GR07 and where I am now, I went through quite a few phases and even more reviews. I've dedicated at least 1,000 hours to A/B'ing little 5 to 10 second song clips to check the differences between different IEMs, cables, DAPs, and amps. As colossal a waste of time as it may seem, it's allowed me to sharpen my ear and listen more carefully to the tiniest differences, and it's given me a good deal of confidence in my testing process.

So, before I speak about the AK320 I feel I should disclose a few things about the audio biases that I have acquired over these last 5 years since the night I fell in love with audio.​



  1. Volume matching is everything when evaluating gear. Listening to one piece of gear at a louder volume immediately confers advantages in clarity, dynamics, sound stage, extension on both ends, and general PRaT.
  2. As a general rule, lossless is a waste of time and space. Years of transcoding FLAC to MP3 and A/b'ing the original with the conversion has convinced me of it. This, for me renders using FLAC PCM/DSD files as useless to me when testing. I simply find the best mastered version of the files I need, convert them to MP3 320 if necessary and delete the larger FLAC file. Further convincing me of this is the our very limited human hearing. Unless a million years of evolution happened since my birth, there's no human being alive who can hear past 30Khz, nor can the human body handle up to 16 bits of dynamic range without certain death. I've come to see "hi-res" as yet another audiophile marketing gimmick.
  3. I conducted a multi-DAP review a couple of years ago, where I compared the HM-901, ZX1, X5, Studio V, and Sansa Clip+ to my iPhone 4 and found absolutely zero significant difference at the time. matter of fact, the ZX1 and my iP4 were completely indistinguishable, not to say I could find a difference between the others worth making a serious note of. That experience left me severely disenchanted with DAPs in general. However, Astell and Kern products weren't available to me for testing at the time.

You can get an idea of my testing methodology here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/709479/mul...o-x5-sony-zx1-hisound-studio-3rd-anv-iphone-4







The AK320













As I mentioned before, I extensively compared a few DAPs 2 years ago. At the time, the AK240 was Astell and Kern's flagship product, and I was raging against the pricing trends in personal audio. Since that time, the Ak380 has arrived, almost doubling the cost of the AK240.

Many have hailed the Ak380 as the ultimate DAP, but interestingly the paradigm is that its cheaper sibling, the AK 320 is every bit as good "when dealing with non-DSD files."

















Because of my experiences with lossless and DSD files, I'm going to assume AK380 and AK320 are virtually identical sounding for my purposes.

I've been listening to the AK320 for over a month now, learning every little nuance of its sound profile. Next, I spent spent close to as much time comparing it to my other DAPs, primarily my iPhone 6S. My testing methodology for this sit down review has involved very meticulous volume matching. I queued up the same 5 second clip of the same file on all players to ensure the SPL leve was similar.

The IEM used was what I consider my endgame, the Aurisonics Rockets. I chose it specifically for several reasons. Of all the IEMs I've listened to (an incomplete list can be found in my profile), I've found the Rockets possess the most pinpoint imaging I've heard, the best timbre and tonality I've heard, the absolute best vocal reproduction I've come across and the driver is incredibly quick. I just can't fault this earphone. Also, it is slightly insensitive, so it should be a good driving challenge for a DAP.

I kept the track list short for the review as well, whittling my library down to tracks that would test very specific DAP qualities.

  1. Act 1: Largo al factotum. Il Barbiere di Siviglia. Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. Performed by Jose Carbo. I chose this track because it's a classic example of great performances hampered by shoddy recording techniques. The classical music genre is rife with examples like this. It requires a good deal of power to squeeze out enough dynamic range from the tracks, especially if using less than sensitive phones.
  2. Reminder. Babel. Mumford and Sons. I chose this track specifically for the detail in the vocals, and the timbre of the simple background acoustic instruments.There's a little excerpt between 1:04 and 1:08, where he says "oh my love don't fade away." You can hear the little breaks in his voice where he sounds close to tears. It's little details like that which make the music experience more tactile, and is only accessible to gear that can extract it. I know the Rockets can, so I'm testing to see if the DAPs hinder the Rockets ability to pull the details.
  3. How. What We Saw From the Cheap Seats. Regina Spektor. This is a track for both details, tonality and imaging. It's a piano heavy track, with a little instrumental bits dispersed around the soundscape like the cello that plays simultaneously with the lower piano registers. Plus, Regina's voice is as emotive as ever.
  4. Groove [Binaural]. Explorations in Space and Time. Lenny White, Jamey Haddad, Mark Sherman. This is hands down my favorite track for testing soundstage and imaging, as well as instrumental timbre. I remember Jude making a video about this album years ago, and being amazed at the technology behind it. Since acquiring my Rockets, my appreciation for this album has grown exponentially. I'm literally surrounded by sound, while being able to virtually reach out and touch each instrument. So precise is the imaging. I wanted to use this track to test how each DAP throws out cues while preserving black space.


The testing method involved queuing shorts portions of each track, volume matching them across DAPs, then A/B'ing for differences in how the DAPs rendered the files. I set out with a null hypothesis that I would find no blind-testable differences, and then tried to disprove this null hypothesis. I did this for an average of 30 minutes per track.


I mainly tested between my iPhone 6S, and the AK320, and the end result was that I could not reliably differentiate the players. Again, this is the AK320 that should sound perfectly identical to the AK380 "with PCM files." I'll leave the conclusions to the readers, along with examples of tests done by others.



















Thanks for reading.

AK320 vs iphone..no different? to me its very clear step up. your method has flaw. try this..used AK320 exclusively for a week,then move to iPhone. you’ll miss the extended treble, blacker background and more refined sound from top to bottom on the dedicated DAP straigh away😉
 
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Jan 21, 2021 at 1:38 PM Post #22 of 23
Having the illusion of applying scientific methods to evaluating of audio gear means you are not an audiophile. It makes you more of a robotic kind of being.

Especially since only listening to short portions of a track doesn't give you the chance of hearing other most important features of a good audio reproduction chain, such as the very important general flowing and "sense" or "purpose" of the music message hidden even in a good lossy aac file. You will find that the iPhone6s (I have one) is of course capable or reproducing sounds, but the conveyed sense of the music may come accross as diminished (or different) compared to what the mastering engineer actually intended to put on the record.

My point is that your sense of hearing is a tool to get sounds from the outside to the inside of your biologic vehicle, next time allow the brain to analyze things for you and convert them into something more...and then come back and tell us about the emotions you have felt.
 
Aug 13, 2021 at 3:50 PM Post #23 of 23
Introduction/Preamble










There are very few things about my life that I would consider certainties. Skepticism is my natural reaction to information that is not founded in some sort of established fact. Amplifying this behavior is the last several years of post grad work that has bent my mind into doubting anything that isn't peer-reviewed and based in solid science. As a result, I'm quite reluctant to believe many things.

I'm also very quick to question my own actions and emotions. I often find myself in a retrospective state, wondering why I exploded at the jaywalker who nearly bloodied my windshield with his forehead, or to a lesser extent the Subway employee who forgot my oatmeal raisin cookies. My most fundamental internal struggle comes from the desire to reconcile the contrast between my faith that has been instilled in me since childhood and the struggle for significance when I know I my existence is simply a whisper in the evolutionary timeline that has extended billions of years before me, and will continue long past everything I know and love fades from memory.

There are only two things I know for sure. First, that I love my mother with all my heart and, secondly, music is the greatest gift I've received.

I've always had a love for music, as I believe most people do, but music has been for a fail-safe language for things I can't fully communicate verbally, from apologies, to playing John Mayer's Slow Dancing in a Burning Room to a significant other to end the relationship. My music library is comprised of songs that have been the soundtrack to my life, and it is as eclectic as I am: the Jamaican who has traveled much of the world and lived among people of different cultures, whose favorite band is Mumford and Sons, who enjoys cassoulet au canard as much as jerk chicken, and is as much photographer as I am pharmacist. However, I don't think I'd truly experienced music until I stumbled across the head-fi thread that led to my purchase of the Shure SE-215 years ago, followed by the Vsonic GR07. I remember laying in bed with the lights off, when the first few bars of Mumford and Sons' Sigh No More album started playing. I remember feeling the walls of the studio around me, the slow building of the music, the first lines of the song, followed by some of my favorite lines in song history...



Love; it will not betray you

Dismay or enslave you, it will set you free

Be more like the man you were made to be


There is a design, an alignment to cry

Of my heart to see,

The beauty of love as it was made to be



I had heard this song a few times prior to this moment, but this was different. With my new earphones I felt like I was living the music, the addition of gear seemingly removing a thick shroud that previously prevented me from truly connecting to my music.
After this I went on a mad rampage of rediscovering all my music, something I'm sure most of you can relate to. Vivaldi finally spoke to me, and Elvis seemed new again. I was firmly in honeymoon territory.​

After a while I decided I wanted more, and that feeling never went away. Since then I've owned and extensively auditioned dozens of IEMs, headphones, and DAPs, some of the setups being the equivalent of a semester of my college tuition. Each successive "level" of gear I ascended to left me more critical of the one I just left. Treble that seemed sparkly to me before now appeared excessively peaky and grating. Bass that pounded excitement into my skull now appeared boomy and overshadowing of the midrange. However, I did gain an appreciation for critical listening and being able to pick out what I wanted in my listening experience.​

In between the GR07 and where I am now, I went through quite a few phases and even more reviews. I've dedicated at least 1,000 hours to A/B'ing little 5 to 10 second song clips to check the differences between different IEMs, cables, DAPs, and amps. As colossal a waste of time as it may seem, it's allowed me to sharpen my ear and listen more carefully to the tiniest differences, and it's given me a good deal of confidence in my testing process.​

So, before I speak about the AK320 I feel I should disclose a few things about the audio biases that I have acquired over these last 5 years since the night I fell in love with audio.​



  1. Volume matching is everything when evaluating gear. Listening to one piece of gear at a louder volume immediately confers advantages in clarity, dynamics, sound stage, extension on both ends, and general PRaT.
  2. As a general rule, lossless is a waste of time and space. Years of transcoding FLAC to MP3 and A/b'ing the original with the conversion has convinced me of it. This, for me renders using FLAC PCM/DSD files as useless to me when testing. I simply find the best mastered version of the files I need, convert them to MP3 320 if necessary and delete the larger FLAC file. Further convincing me of this is the our very limited human hearing. Unless a million years of evolution happened since my birth, there's no human being alive who can hear past 30Khz, nor can the human body handle up to 16 bits of dynamic range without certain death. I've come to see "hi-res" as yet another audiophile marketing gimmick.
  3. I conducted a multi-DAP review a couple of years ago, where I compared the HM-901, ZX1, X5, Studio V, and Sansa Clip+ to my iPhone 4 and found absolutely zero significant difference at the time. matter of fact, the ZX1 and my iP4 were completely indistinguishable, not to say I could find a difference between the others worth making a serious note of. That experience left me severely disenchanted with DAPs in general. However, Astell and Kern products weren't available to me for testing at the time.

You can get an idea of my testing methodology here:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/709479/mul...o-x5-sony-zx1-hisound-studio-3rd-anv-iphone-4







The AK320











As I mentioned before, I extensively compared a few DAPs 2 years ago. At the time, the AK240 was Astell and Kern's flagship product, and I was raging against the pricing trends in personal audio. Since that time, the Ak380 has arrived, almost doubling the cost of the AK240.

Many have hailed the Ak380 as the ultimate DAP, but interestingly the paradigm is that its cheaper sibling, the AK 320 is every bit as good "when dealing with non-DSD files."












Because of my experiences with lossless and DSD files, I'm going to assume AK380 and AK320 are virtually identical sounding for my purposes.

I've been listening to the AK320 for over a month now, learning every little nuance of its sound profile. Next, I spent spent close to as much time comparing it to my other DAPs, primarily my iPhone 6S. My testing methodology for this sit down review has involved very meticulous volume matching. I queued up the same 5 second clip of the same file on all players to ensure the SPL leve was similar.

The IEM used was what I consider my endgame, the Aurisonics Rockets. I chose it specifically for several reasons. Of all the IEMs I've listened to (an incomplete list can be found in my profile), I've found the Rockets possess the most pinpoint imaging I've heard, the best timbre and tonality I've heard, the absolute best vocal reproduction I've come across and the driver is incredibly quick. I just can't fault this earphone. Also, it is slightly insensitive, so it should be a good driving challenge for a DAP.

I kept the track list short for the review as well, whittling my library down to tracks that would test very specific DAP qualities.

  1. Act 1: Largo al factotum. Il Barbiere di Siviglia. Melbourne Symphony Orchestra. Performed by Jose Carbo. I chose this track because it's a classic example of great performances hampered by shoddy recording techniques. The classical music genre is rife with examples like this. It requires a good deal of power to squeeze out enough dynamic range from the tracks, especially if using less than sensitive phones.
  2. Reminder. Babel. Mumford and Sons. I chose this track specifically for the detail in the vocals, and the timbre of the simple background acoustic instruments.There's a little excerpt between 1:04 and 1:08, where he says "oh my love don't fade away." You can hear the little breaks in his voice where he sounds close to tears. It's little details like that which make the music experience more tactile, and is only accessible to gear that can extract it. I know the Rockets can, so I'm testing to see if the DAPs hinder the Rockets ability to pull the details.
  3. How. What We Saw From the Cheap Seats. Regina Spektor. This is a track for both details, tonality and imaging. It's a piano heavy track, with a little instrumental bits dispersed around the soundscape like the cello that plays simultaneously with the lower piano registers. Plus, Regina's voice is as emotive as ever.
  4. Groove [Binaural]. Explorations in Space and Time. Lenny White, Jamey Haddad, Mark Sherman. This is hands down my favorite track for testing soundstage and imaging, as well as instrumental timbre. I remember Jude making a video about this album years ago, and being amazed at the technology behind it. Since acquiring my Rockets, my appreciation for this album has grown exponentially. I'm literally surrounded by sound, while being able to virtually reach out and touch each instrument. So precise is the imaging. I wanted to use this track to test how each DAP throws out cues while preserving black space.


The testing method involved queuing shorts portions of each track, volume matching them across DAPs, then A/B'ing for differences in how the DAPs rendered the files. I set out with a null hypothesis that I would find no blind-testable differences, and then tried to disprove this null hypothesis. I did this for an average of 30 minutes per track.


I mainly tested between my iPhone 6S, and the AK320, and the end result was that I could not reliably differentiate the players. Again, this is the AK320 that should sound perfectly identical to the AK380 "with PCM files." I'll leave the conclusions to the readers, along with examples of tests done by others.



















Thanks for reading.
Not thinking one is better is one thing, but not being able to tell a difference…you have the opposite of golden ears my friend blimey
 

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