Questions about learning to drive a stick

Jul 13, 2008 at 1:02 AM Post #46 of 60
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Originally Posted by Al4x /img/forum/go_quote.gif
can someone explain rev matching?


It's when you "Kick" the gas pedal at the same time when you downshift (not upshift, I don't know why people mention it here, you don't rev-match when up-shifting...it makes no sense). All this does is make the engine's RPM jump up to a point where the engagement RPM is required for the lower gear, dependent on the speed of the car too. Basically, this makes it smoother when you downshift, that's it, but in the performance's point of view, smoothness is critical to overall speed. How far you "kick" the clutch and where your foot is on the gas after rev-matching affects the smoothness of the shifting.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 3:54 AM Post #47 of 60
I think autos are popular here for the 2 hours commute to work in 5 mph freeway traffic many have.

Heh, I dunno, it's just one of those things, i guess (in the past) gas was cheap, so fuel economy wasn't an issue, and everything here seems convenience driven (no pun intended).

Oddly, some auto's now have better mpg cos of the higher gearing.

I drive an auto, but prefer manual - had to get an auto for the wife to drive it one handed.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 11:21 AM Post #48 of 60
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Originally Posted by Al4x /img/forum/go_quote.gif
why do americans tend to drie autos, uk most have manuals by far


It probably runs down to these reasons, and perhaps some more.
* Gas price. The gas price in the US have always been way lower than the European one. As of today its still half the price compared to over here.
* Road quality. A lot more twisty roads, and hills, over here.
* Car prices. Automatic transmission is extra, adding up on an already WAY to expensive car.
* Laziness.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM Post #50 of 60
thanks m11a1
i get what it is now,

on the america =autos thing
i suspect it is all of the above, i can see the point if your alwasy in queues but if not the control provided by a manual makes driving 10x better and fun

hopefully soon have my first nice car hence no headfi buying of late
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 2:31 PM Post #51 of 60
Another issue that IMO is overlooked about manuals in America is that they are harder to get.

They're somewhat common on the cheapest, lowest powered cars. The <$15,000 cars that are usually four-cylinder front-wheel-drive. A manual can make a 100hp slug of a car a bit more fun to drive.

Then, you see them on a decent amount of sports cars (although sequential dual-clutch paddle shifted transmissions are squeezing them out of a lot of brands)

But on just a regular, average sedan, many aren't available with a manual. And, even if the model you want is, the likelihood is that you'll have a much narrower selection.

My dad taught me how to drive stick, but what was helpful to me was a head-fi thread with a very similar title like two years ago... they advised to learn how to use the clutch without the gas first.

The issue is that as an auto driver, you're only used to dealing with one pedal at a time. At first, driving stick, I found that if I focused on the gas, I could apply it right, but then I wasn't really paying attention to the clutch, and usually let it go too fast. Or, if I focused on the clutch, I could do it smoothly, but I either over-revved or under-revved the gas. At first, I always either chirped the tires, or stalled.

The hardest part is going from stopped into first. The other shifts are pretty simple. I wasn't really taught it the 'performance' way - I rarely downshift, unless it's to pass on the highway. I put it in neutral a lot.

By driving around empty parking lots with just the clutch, you learn to feel where it grips. Once you have a good feel for the clutch, then you can worry about the gas.

The gas just lets you do it faster. In my car, at least, if I am idling, it takes a minimum of 3-4 seconds to get it moving by putting the clutch in. This is fine in some places, but not pulling out on busy roads.

The gas allows you to let the clutch out in 1-2 seconds without stalling it. Note that I don't mean just popping the clutch at a high RPM, I mean let it go until it grips, then rev it to 1500 and let it go the rest of the way.

And, get used to the fact that you are going to stall. It's a fact of life. The first day I was driving, I stalled a few times on major roads (I had previously only ever stalled in parking lots and on back roads). Just keep your cool, because if you get nervous and worked up, you'll just stall again.
The first time I stalled, it was late at night, and there was this big SUV with really bright headlights kinda riding my bumper up to a traffic light. Like all jerks do, he comes within 3 inches of my bumper at the stop, and of course he's in an SUV, so his lights are just as high as my rear view mirror, and I can't see anything.
The light turns green, I stall, and literally a second later the impatient ******* was laying on the horn and shouting obscenities. Of course, since he came up so close to me, he didn't have enough room to change into the other lane, so he just sits there on the horn, flashing his high beams on and off directly into my mirror, so I can barely see anything and I'm trying to get it started. I finally get the engine going again, and promptly stall it a second time, since by now I'm really nervous and kinda shaky. The third time, so desperate to not stall it, I drop the clutch at like 5k rpm. The VQ30 is a really torquey engine, so I end up doing a huge burnout across the entire intersection. It was pretty bad.
You'll probably install, and it will usually be when there's some neanderthal behind you who will go ballistic. Just gotta keep your cool.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 3:46 PM Post #53 of 60
This seems to be a good thread to read. At some point I might have to borrow a neighbors car (one owns a miata) and try manual in a parking lot somewhere. Currently my experience is on a 50 year old tractor where you start from 0MPH in your gear of choice and never have to shift while in motion.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM Post #54 of 60
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Originally Posted by MusicallySilent /img/forum/go_quote.gif
This seems to be a good thread to read. At some point I might have to borrow a neighbors car (one owns a miata) and try manual in a parking lot somewhere. Currently my experience is on a 50 year old tractor where you start from 0MPH in your gear of choice and never have to shift while in motion.



i personally wouldnt let anyone drive my car who hasnt driven a manual, to much punishment for the clutch lol

its been a long while since i stalled a car, it is embarrasing when your learning but likely
ive pulled away in 5th gear once, haha, took ages have 2 balance the throttle and clutch so delicately, is a good test, cant pull away in any gear without some revs from the throttle in my car
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 4:36 PM Post #55 of 60
There's another way to drive besides manual?

Seriously though, I learned to drive stick by buying a manual drive car (my S4) in Feb. Since then I have purchased a second manual drive car (my Rabbit) and I love it, I now loath automatic cars because it just feels like autopilot.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 5:07 PM Post #56 of 60
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Originally Posted by devin_mm /img/forum/go_quote.gif
There's another way to drive besides manual?

Seriously though, I learned to drive stick by buying a manual drive car (my S4) in Feb. Since then I have purchased a second manual drive car (my Rabbit) and I love it, I now loath automatic cars because it just feels like autopilot.



good stuff

the control and skill you need makes driving fun with manual, i actually dont know anyone except my grandparents with an automatic,

as you say an automatic is like autopilot, cant imagine even driving an auto round tight twisty fun 'B' roads
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 7:03 PM Post #57 of 60
Speaking of learning how to drive manual....my friend's dad brought him a car when he turned 18 a while back, the dad dropped my friend off at a HUGE parking lot of a mall and handed him the keys to the car and told him to find it and just left. Not only did it take half the day to find it, but it was manual transmission and my friend had never driven manual before...lets just say that my friend didn't come home till the next day.

...I thought it was hilarious.

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Originally Posted by MusicallySilent /img/forum/go_quote.gif
This seems to be a good thread to read. At some point I might have to borrow a neighbors car (one owns a miata)


omg miatas are so much fun...if it's a stock miata, drive into a turn in 2nd gear with you gas pedal to the bottom and then just kick the clutch while the gas pedal is to the bottom. Just hope you know how to counter steer the drift
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 9:29 PM Post #59 of 60
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Originally Posted by m11a1 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
omg miatas are so much fun...if it's a stock miata, drive into a turn in 2nd gear with you gas pedal to the bottom and then just kick the clutch while the gas pedal is to the bottom. Just hope you know how to counter steer the drift


Then i can laugh if it is a 1990-1998 without a Torsen rear end and it explodes on you. Miatas are forgiving as hell to learn to drive clutch on if it is stock. Just dont drop the clutch to much people have broken the trannys and rear ends on stock 90-130hp.
 
Jul 13, 2008 at 9:53 PM Post #60 of 60
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Originally Posted by Al4x /img/forum/go_quote.gif
i personally wouldnt let anyone drive my car who hasnt driven a manual, to much punishment for the clutch lol


The father has let their son shift gears in the past while the father was driving on local streets he would tell the son when to slide the gear shifter (30mph neighborhood) and I doubt it stalled often, plus we are great friends with them :P
 

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