Porcupine Tree "Anesthetize" DVD/Blu-Ray

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by non-entity /img/forum/go_quote.gif If I'll see "higher resolution" (well, higher than 24 bps and 48khz) releases of Fear of a Blank Planet and The Incident, I don't know what I'd think of that. And why do I just know that I'll see such releases eventually? Frankly, I assume that they released these albums not in full DVD-A resolution just to enable them to release the records again in "better shape". Anyways, seriously: who can hear up to 48.000 hz? (nyquist frequency of 96 khz sampling rate)

They already came out with the DVD-A for The Incident. I made a thread on it. The SQ is just as crappy as the redbook.

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On a physical level, sure. But hey, what's the use if your ears just can't perceive it? Even most gear doesn't cover such high frequencies ... I dimly remember that once I posted something very similar to this, but I think it's obvious that this subject still busies me

This is not why high-res is potentially better. It's because of the filtering processes in the DAC, not because of extended frequency range.

 

[dongringo]

Personally, it doesn't bother me at all. Sure, they have all these special/limited editions and reissues, but we don't have to buy them. Obviously, there are people who want them. In our view they might be throwing their money away, but it's their money and they apparently like what they are paying for. To each his own. I'll buy the regular cd and dvd and be done with it, just because I love the music. The business doesn't interest me, only the music.

 

[Moontan13]

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Originally Posted by roadtonowhere08 /img/forum/go_quote.gif And the sad thing is, both versions will sell out VERY quickly. PT fans are as rabid as it gets. If I decide to get this, I will take the cheapest Blu-Ray version I can find. Most of the time, the extras are a waste of money... unless you are a rabid, groupie-like fan.

Yah, I'm a rabid fan, but you made me that way, lol.

 

[roadtonowhere08]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif They already came out with the DVD-A for The Incident. I made a thread on it. The SQ is just as crappy as the redbook.

That's really unfortunate. PT albums were pretty much the only bright light in HD recordings for the music I like.



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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif This is not why high-res is potentially better. It's because of the filtering processes in the DAC, not because of extended frequency range.

I always found that, in general, the higher than redbook resolution usually meant that more attention was paid to the preservation of sound quality, but I am positive that if a higher resolution format catches on, it will be butchered as well to please the masses.
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Originally Posted by Moontan13 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Yah, I'm a rabid fan, but you made me that way, lol.

Tell your wallet I am sorry that I played a part

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by dongringo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Personally, it doesn't bother me at all. Sure, they have all these special/limited editions and reissues, but we don't have to buy them. Obviously, there are people who want them. In our view they might be throwing their money away, but it's their money and they apparently like what they are paying for. To each his own. I'll buy the regular cd and dvd and be done with it, just because I love the music. The business doesn't interest me, only the music.

It is a problem and I'll tell you why: instead of making great, new music to gain a wider fan base they are milking and capitalizing on their existing fans that became fans back when their music was great. That's a crappy way to manage and maintain band-hood.

 

[dongringo]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif It is a problem and I'll tell you why: instead of making great, new music to gain a wider fan base they are milking and capitalizing on their existing fans that became fans back when their music was great. That's a crappy way to manage and maintain band-hood.

With all due respect, that's just an assumption on your part. PT are picking up more new fans than ever, especially since Fear of the Blank Planet came out. Have you seen them live lately? I saw them a few months ago on The Incident tour and was surrounded on the floor by 12 year olds. That's right, preteens. It was an incredibly diverse audience of old and new fans. The members of PT acknowledge that and plenty of fans have noticed as well. The PT forum is full of new fans. Instead of being so negative and assuming the worst, how about just listening to the music and enjoying it if you like it? And for the record, there are plenty of us who believe The Incident to be "great, new music." One more thing...I'm a new fan...got into them with The Incident. My brother and several of my friends are also new fans. For us, it's about the music. It really doesn't matter at all that PT wants to sell special/limited editions. Not at all.

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by dongringo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Instead of being so negative and assuming the worst, how about just listening to the music and enjoying it if you like it? And for the record, there are plenty of us who believe The Incident to be "great, new music." One more thing...I'm a new fan...got into them with The Incident. My brother and several of my friends are also new fans. For us, it's about the music. It really doesn't matter at all that PT wants to sell special/limited editions. Not at all.

Have YOU listened to the lyrics? His music has always been melancholy and often negative. The Incident's lyrics are amateurish and rather a total joke; he used to write decent lyrics. But at least the music used to have harmony and wasn't made to appeal to teens and the destruction of their youth.

I've been listening to them since 1996 and own every one of their albums, given them lots of money so I have the right to be critical. I used to love their music but after Deadwing I feel SW dropped the ball; he went commercial which is something he once said would never be the driving force behind his music. And I'm not even bringing into this my personal experiences with SW himself, nor will I elaborate in this thread on why the guy is a scumbag.

 

[Gazza]

Uh, commercial is the last thing that can be leveled at PT post-Lightbulb Sun. Around that time Wilson got into Heavy Metal and started integrating it into his music, adding much heavier, aggressive parts. This is the antithesis of commercial. If anything, PT strove for mainstream acceptance with Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun with their move away from massive prog epics and a focus on digestible, hook-laden short songs.

Having said that, I love all of PT's music and I think they manage to improve with every album.

 

[sonci]

The Incident, and FOBP are their least commercial albums, so please stop trolling,

There are a lot of format choices, so what?! dont buy them,
anyway better than having only cd audio,

However, I agree, The Incident could sound better..

ps: If they wanted to sell, they could cut The Incident to some 3min tracks, at least 3 would be perfect hits for the radio massacre,

 

[dongringo]

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Originally Posted by Gazza /img/forum/go_quote.gif Uh, commercial is the last thing that can be leveled at PT post-Lightbulb Sun. Around that time Wilson got into Heavy Metal and started integrating it into his music, adding much heavier, aggressive parts. This is the antithesis of commercial. If anything, PT strove for mainstream acceptance with Stupid Dream/Lightbulb Sun with their move away from massive prog epics and a focus on digestible, hook-laden short songs. Having said that, I love all of PT's music and I think they manage to improve with every album.

^ X2

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Originally Posted by sonci /img/forum/go_quote.gif The Incident, and FOBP are their least commercial albums, so please stop trolling, There are a lot of format choices, so what?! dont buy them, anyway better than having only cd audio, However, I agree, The Incident could sound better.. ps: If they wanted to sell, they could cut The Incident to some 3min tracks, at least 3 would be perfect hits for the radio massacre,

^ X2

Just listened to The Incident and loved every minute of it.

 

[jilgiljongiljing]

IpodPJ and roadtonowhere are my new friends. They have pretty much said exactly what I feel about PT right now. My wife and I are both PT fans and we've been to their shows here in CA and bought all their albums and PT still gets more play on the playlist than any other band. But there are so many things that annoy me with SW. First when PT was compared to Pink Floyd with the statement "PT is the new Pink Floyd" he said rubbish, I would like to hear "PT is the new PT" such is the ego of this man. A band being compared to Pink Floyd would be one of the greatest honors for a progressive band, but no, not for SW.

Then there was all this talk about music selling out, the industry being money driven, and his hatred for compressed music etc etc and what happened, he has followed each and every single path that he made such a big deal about. Now we have poorly mastererd recordings with compressed DVD-A releases, and a special edition, limited edition, bonus edition nonsense being released every few months. Whats so special? Photography by that idiot. If SW decides to record himself singing in the shower, it will be released as a limited edition numbered disc with photographs by Lasse (god forbid that ever happens) and it will be priced 5-6 times over already overpriced commercial cds.

This has really gone out of hand. To launch every single thing as a pre-order limited edition charging ridiculous money for photos that are seemingly random taken by one guy and then pricing it ludicrously is just milking the fan base for whatever its worth. Hypocrisy at its worse.

Then theres the new album. It is a really not that difficult for anyone who has been following PT to see how little effort has gone into the new album. The lyrics are silly and childish, and the so called concept was hardly a concept. It was just a bunch of incomplete tunes thrown together. If anything the second disc shows some hope for us fans that they are still capable of making some music. What of the band? Notice how the rest of the band hardly has anything to do in the new album. I've never heard a more boring performance from Gavin Harrison except a few moments here and there. I'm sure it wasnt his choice since I have been a close follower of him being a drummer myself.

What of the other members? Its just guitar, vocals guitar solo, vocals, guitar, over and over. Theres hardly any interludes, within the first few songs I'm tired of hearing him sing and play utter nonsense solos. Drawing the Line is absolutely horrible, you dont need to know anything about music to know its just plain bad. SW is PT now from what I can tell, and he has taken control and is doing what he pleases and selling us the album saying "This is a concept album, if you dont get it, then you dont know anything better". One more album like this, and I am fairly certain that the band will break up, the other members are way better than whats represented here.

 

[IPodPJ]

Very well put Jilgil******

You remember his ridiculous stunt with smashing the iPods? If not, look for them on youTube. He made a series of 4 or 6 videos of smashing the iPod all different ways. In one he even had his groupies cheering him on as he bowed for them. It was truly a sad moment for the man. This is what he has been reduced to.

Oh, and if you've ever seen him live, you have to appreciate how he flashes his hands around like gang signs.

 

[dongringo]

If you guys don't like the music don't listen to it. If you don't like the products don't buy it.

 

[jilgiljongiljing]

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If you guys don't like the music don't listen to it. If you don't like the products don't buy it.

Wow. People like you are the reason why I dont post as often on this forum. Just plain disrespectful. I've just put out my sincere opinion being a fan for more than a decade of my favourite band, and you come along saying you are a new fan and say "If you guys don't like the music don't listen to it." I dont have words to describe the sheer stupidity of that response.

Man really if you like the new album good for you, I'm glad someone enjoys it, but you have no perspective on what ipodPJ and I have been saying at all being new to this band, so dont post rubbish just to appear smart. No one said you worship SW, that never came up and the posts werent even directed at you in any way.

 

[dongringo]

Fair enough. The part about not worshiping SW was harsh, but the part about not listening to the music if you don't like it, you have to admit, makes sense. It's just music after all.

The only reason I mentioned being a new fan who likes The Incident is because it was said that PT doesn't make good music anymore and is only interested in making money off the old fans. There are plenty of new fans who like their current music. That was point I was making.

And I do have perspective. For instance, the ipod smashing. SW himself has explained this. It's not that he is anti mp3 or ipod. It's a metaphor. It's the fact that the ipod generation has little or no appreciation for the whole album anymore, the download one song and be done with it attitude. A lot of time and hard work goes into the making of an album. That's what the ipod smashing is about. One of the youtube videos was from here in Portland before a gig I attended and we didn't see anything into it other than what he has explained.

All this talk about how SW sucks, their new music sucks, the lyrics suck, the sound quality sucks, etc. set me off, I admit that. But I'm someone who is really into their current music (as well as their old stuff). It's only natural to take it somewhat personal when someone is saying that what I like basically sucks lol. I'm only human and can get offended after awhile too.

At any rate, I apologize if I offended you in any way. Of course you are entitled to your opinion.