Hi all,
I'm new around here as far as posting and given the new guy guidelines, this is my first post! Thanks to all the folks here for the wealth of info available.
Here's the conundrum most newcomers like myself entering the arena of high end audio/headphones faces: Do you really need an Amp/DAC for your fancy new cans, and will you hear the difference from a lower end product to a higher one, or at all? I've got a pair of Monolith M1060C's on the way, being my first foray into planar's. A decent budget entry point, or so I've read, though I'm considering getting a DAC and amp if it's worth it. I've put in plenty of time doing my homework, and thought I'd reach out to those here with more experience for some input.
Simply put, in the budget range, is something like a $60 FX Audio DAC-X6 going to be blown away by those in the $200-300 range such as a Topping A30/D30 combo, a Schiit stack etc, or even higher end gear? Secondarily, is it worth having a lower end DAC/amp period?
I realize there is no simple way to quantify this, as audio is highly subjective. However when comparing the rainbow of Sabre chipsets, to Cirrus to the highly touted AKM chips, coupled with low noise, low impedance etc amps, is there 2-3x the cost in quality gained? Especially with entry level M1060C's?
Personal use case and thoughts:
Whew, sorry to rattle on, my head is spinning with amp/DAC thoughts. But, as I see it my needs are fairly simple, there are just a ton of options out there with no truly perfect, cheap(er) solution. The kicker is being new and ignorant without having any reference points to know where, or if, my money goes. I'm fairly analytical in listening (audiophile-esque), but probably couldn't, or wouldn't care to point out a nearly imperceptible difference in "airiness" or "warmth", but casual listening is often the case - I like to relax with audio, not work to understand it. How often does one interested in great audio quality say, "wow, glad I dropped $300 on a DAC"?
What do you all think?
Thanks for any input, and I look forward to this forum consuming more time than it already has!
I'm new around here as far as posting and given the new guy guidelines, this is my first post! Thanks to all the folks here for the wealth of info available.
Here's the conundrum most newcomers like myself entering the arena of high end audio/headphones faces: Do you really need an Amp/DAC for your fancy new cans, and will you hear the difference from a lower end product to a higher one, or at all? I've got a pair of Monolith M1060C's on the way, being my first foray into planar's. A decent budget entry point, or so I've read, though I'm considering getting a DAC and amp if it's worth it. I've put in plenty of time doing my homework, and thought I'd reach out to those here with more experience for some input.
Simply put, in the budget range, is something like a $60 FX Audio DAC-X6 going to be blown away by those in the $200-300 range such as a Topping A30/D30 combo, a Schiit stack etc, or even higher end gear? Secondarily, is it worth having a lower end DAC/amp period?
I realize there is no simple way to quantify this, as audio is highly subjective. However when comparing the rainbow of Sabre chipsets, to Cirrus to the highly touted AKM chips, coupled with low noise, low impedance etc amps, is there 2-3x the cost in quality gained? Especially with entry level M1060C's?
Personal use case and thoughts:
- M1060C's will be in living room, seating ~10ft from sources, use with music, movies and games of all flavors.
- HTPC laptop (crappy Realtek audio) and console game system both currently outputting optical to my old and trusty Harman Kardon AVR147 receiver. Using receiver 1/4" headphone jack for either Sony MDR7506's or Hyper X Cloud KHX-H3CL. Headphone jack doesn't appear to be amping anything special, at least not in any specs I've read, and seemingly drives both ~60ohm headsets decently enough, though I do have to give the MDR's a good bit more big knob for acceptable output (I kind of have a hard time believing the Cloud's are 60ohm...).
- DAC/Amp wants:
- Doesn't need to support anything higher than 24/192, as I don't have any content greater than that, don't really care about MQA etc unless convinced otherwise.
- Balanced isn't a concern, especially in the budget corner.
- M1060C's apparently run at 18ohm, so amp output impedance should be <2ohms, according to the 1/8th rule.
- Inputs should be USB/Optical at least.
- Preamp out capability to my receiver would be neat to give a bit more juice to my towers, but isn't a must.
- If running only 18ohm headphones, just about any amp power output should be overkill, I believe.
- Would love a remote capable unit for volume control of game console, but an add-in inline volume control on headphones will suffice (like the Hyper X Cloud comes with already).
- Budget friendly, don't mind used - cheap and quality is the name of the game - hey I can wish.
- Would be nice to EQ non-HTPC sources, so maybe a DSPMini HD as the DAC or in the mix? Kills lower cost options.
- Topping DX3Pro V1 - I could call it a day with this, even with their reported failures, but the *non* V2/LDAC versions are *impossible* to find. Read on AudioScienceReview the LDAC version ruined the amp with its ~10ohm output compared to the original's <1ohm. The Topping MX3 I've read isn't so great for headphones and better for monitors etc.
- FX Audio DX6 - it's cheap at $60, why else.
- Discrete amp and DAC - Every flavor out there including Topping, Schitt, JLabs, Monolith, SMSL etc. This can be done for around $200.
- Combo units: Would be fine/great if one fits the bill. Many seem to be either too expensive, impossible to find, review poorly, are missing an input, are aimed towards portable etc.
- MiniDSP HD as DAC, then throw in an amp. Would love the EQ capability for non-PC use, though this pushes the cost to at minimum >$300, and the MiniDSP DAC apparently "isn't stellar". I do enjoy several db+ in the low end, of which I don't know if the M1060C's will accomplish without EQ and the Mini would satisfy this.
Whew, sorry to rattle on, my head is spinning with amp/DAC thoughts. But, as I see it my needs are fairly simple, there are just a ton of options out there with no truly perfect, cheap(er) solution. The kicker is being new and ignorant without having any reference points to know where, or if, my money goes. I'm fairly analytical in listening (audiophile-esque), but probably couldn't, or wouldn't care to point out a nearly imperceptible difference in "airiness" or "warmth", but casual listening is often the case - I like to relax with audio, not work to understand it. How often does one interested in great audio quality say, "wow, glad I dropped $300 on a DAC"?
What do you all think?
Thanks for any input, and I look forward to this forum consuming more time than it already has!