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A new study shows that the skin help us hear by 'feeling' sounds.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/skin-hearing-airflow-puff-sound-perception/
[1] You see with your eyes, you feel with your skin and you hear with your ears. Ask a 4th grader...
[2] Obviously there is some overlap between feeling the pressure of certain frequencies if the SPL is high enough.
That has nothing to do with hearing. You can't "understand the message" of the sound with your skin. That simply is BS.
[3] Hearing with your eyes? ... lip sync ability is based on seeing, not hearing.
[4] How come that unfortunate people born without hearing or people who lost their hearing due to an accident or illness, can't just use their skin to listen ?
[1] Note of course that Dame Glennie is a percussionist, and thus isn't often called upon to play high-pitched instruments where intonation is an issue.
[2] Could she have been a world-class violinist? I'm not so sure.
1. Hopefully we're a little beyond 4th graders here?
2. I would say that there's not "some" overlap but a huge overlap, an overlap which is so big that it can be total ...
3. Following on from #3, it's not just lip sync. The McGurk Effect proves that our hearing can be totally overridden by our eyes and there are other effects/observations which demonstrate that all the senses are interlinked to such a significant degree that given certain circumstances each of them can be totally overridden.
4. This is where your argument really falls down because there are some who can! There are a number of high achieving "deaf" musicians who have learned to do exactly this, Evelyn Glennie being probably the most famous example. Definitely worth some research if you've never heard of her.
It's my hypothesis that hearing and touch are not separate senses, that hearing is in effect just a highly specialised form of touch. In areas where our hearing becomes less sensitive, our sense of touch takes over. Rumbles are low frequency signals, where our hearing is far less sensitive and we therefore often tend to describe feeling a rumble rather than hearing a rumble. It's my contention that we all sense sound through our sense of touch but that within the sensitive areas of our hearing, our perception of sound is commonly dominated by our sense of hearing and we're generally not consciously aware of hearing with our sense of touch. Reduce the sense of hearing by enough, as with the hearing impaired for example, and the sense of touch comes much more to the fore, even to the point that it can be trained to similar levels as unimpaired musicians! The afore mentioned Evelyn Glennie describes training her "hearing" by placing her hands on the classroom wall while her music teacher played different notes. Over the course of many months she learned to differentiate even between semi-tones and eventually developed perfect pitch from where on her body she "feels" the notes. In some respects Evelyn has better "hearing" than non-hearing impaired people, she just doesn't rely on her ears for her perception of hearing!
If my hypothesis is correct, it would provide an additional reason for why listening on headphones is for some/many not entirely satisfactory.
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Please give solid science proof that people can hear notes from vibrations on their skins. Not just because some famous questionably 'deaf' musician said so. Music enjoyement can be affected from all sensor in our body. Music sound much better with good visual, when your body feels good/no pain, when you taste tasty food(maybe), when you can feel the rumble of bass. That's all the sensation that has no thing to do directly with the music. And what we know is we can only differentiate music notes with ear.
Talk about hypocrisy! Without any evidence at all you make an absolute statement like "what we know is we can only ..." and also without a shred of evidence question the integrity of someone's medically diagnosed condition but any statements contrary to your completely unsupported opinion requires "solid science proof"?! I personally have witnessed the proof that Ms. Glennie is profoundly deaf. And, after being shown, I have experienced for myself one of the methods Ms. Glennie uses to tune an instrument ("differential music notes") with a high degree of accuracy, an experiment with surprisingly less subtle results than one would assume, an experiment which is easily repeatable and which I witnessed others experience (and be just a surprised). Furthermore, as I mentioned, it's not just one musician, I've met another (unrelated) profoundly deaf highly accomplished professional musician. Obviously there is only my word for all this and even if I could corroborate my word with testimonials from others, it would still only constitute anecdotal evidence rather than "solid scientific proof". So, anecdotal evidence, partially supported by the article linked by the OP, is all I'm offering, not solid scientific proof but even scientifically weak anecdotal evidence is still a whole lot more evidence than you've supplied!
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[1] You met this uniquely talented deaf musician who was able to tune instruments. [2] So she was able to perceive vibrations with her touch senses, great.
[3] Was she able to understand spoken word when the speaker was behind her or hidden from direct view? If she was able to do that, then she was able to listen with her skin, if she was not able of this voice recognition w/o help of lip reading, then she can not listen with her skin.
[4] Even if there is one individual with highly developed senses, 95%+ of the unfortunate population who are deaf, has a real problem and they can not listen with their skin.
[5] I just have a little bit of common sense.
[6] The ear is an amazingly capable organ that is amplifying sound waves of a specific frequency range via hydro mechanics and lever principle and translating them into electrical impulses that the brain interprets as a particular sound information. This feat does not happen in the same manner just anywhere on the skin. That is BS.
I'm not the one that need to prove a point. ... People lie, ...
I only question on the article's flawed method to proof scientifically and your "weak anecdotal evidence" that's not even scientific.
.... 6. Agreed! Not sure why you're directing that at me though? I never stated, implied or intended to imply that feat happens in the same manner anywhere on the skin. I merely stated it has been demonstrated that it is possible to sense acoustic sound waves with the skin to a level of acuity sufficient be a top class professional musician....
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