Ok I confess!! What instruments and vocals fall into lows, Mids, and Highs (Be Nice)
Jul 22, 2007 at 11:33 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 17

bigizzy75

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Hey Head-fi,

I have been here for a while and I just realized that I do not know what instruments and vocals fall into the lows, mids, and highs catagories other than bass falls into lows.

Thanks in advance,


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Jul 22, 2007 at 11:49 PM Post #2 of 17
It's complicated, because most instruments cover a wide range when you factor in harmonics. Bass instruments indeed have root tones around the lower end, say 20-160hz (hz defined as how many vibrations per second you're dealing with, at 20 hz picture a string wobbling back and forth at the rate). Each doubling of frequency equals one octave, so 20-160 would represent about 3 octaves. Root tones aren't all you need to worry about though, because the sound you hear could have lots of higher frequencies factored in. For example, on a standup acoustic bass you could hear the snap of the strings or a finger sliding along a string at a higher frequency. The only pure tone you'll hear in audio is a cheesy old synthesizer playing a sine wav. Unless you're into early Moog music you won't be hearing that often. A sine wav is defined as a pure tone, at one frequency, with no harmonics. Harmonics usually exist at one octave above your root tone, 2 octaves above, an octave and a fifth above, etc.

Every instrument has its own set of harmonics that it will trigger. The easiest example is on a piano, when you strike one key it strikes the strings for that note. The motion of those strings and of the entire mechanism can allow other strings to vibrate. There are felt pads that rest on the strings to cut off the harmonic resonance but you can lift those by using the sustain pedal. On a piano, when you hold the sustain pedal you're unlocking a huge amount of harmonic information, which makes the instrument sound very full, and triggers frequencies across a wide range.

So, for a quick reference, bass is indeed produced by the obvious stringed bass instruments, plus many other instruments including the piano, tuba, cello.... The midrange covers most orchestra instruments, voices, the list is endless in that kind of range. Remember that each doubling of frequency represents an octave. On a piano the middle A is 440hz, double that a few times you're up to the top of the piano at 3520hz. Beyond that you're really going to lose the ability to distinguish individual musical notes, and it turns to harmonic detail. We identify almost every instrument in the world by their harmonic details, not by their root tones, so don't think that 4000-20000 hz is useless. Getting that part right is what Hi-fi is all about.

Hope that helps. Lot of terms in there but I tried to define as much as possible. Feel free to ask for clarification on any of that.
 
Jul 22, 2007 at 11:54 PM Post #3 of 17
Note: this is just a general list, and I am missing a lot of instruments and there are some exceptions.

HIGHS:
electric guitar
violin
soprano sax
alto sax
trumpet
oboe
flute
piccolo
cymbols

MIDS:
electric guitar
bass guitar
cello
violin
alto sax
tenor sax
barry sax
clarinet
bass clarinet
flute
bass flute
trumpet
trombone
baritone
french horn
oboe
bassoon
drums


LOWS:
bass guitar
double bass
tuba
trombone
barry sax
baritone
bassoon
drums
 
Jul 23, 2007 at 5:09 AM Post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by no1likesme /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Note: this is just a general list, and I am missing a lot of instruments and there are some exceptions.


eh.....this list seems to be missing the point that every instrument has its own frequency range. As NightWoundsTime indicated, every instrument has fundamental tones and harmonics. You'll see that many instruments have their fundamental frequencies below 1khz:

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http://www.dak.com/reviews/Tutorial_frequencies.cfm
 
Jul 23, 2007 at 5:23 AM Post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by Davesrose /img/forum/go_quote.gif
eh.....this list seems to be missing the point that every instrument has its own frequency range. As NightWoundsTime indicated, every instrument has fundamental tones and harmonics. You'll see that many instruments have their fundamental frequencies below 1khz:



I was just trying to give a general idea.
 
Jul 23, 2007 at 2:40 PM Post #9 of 17
Yeah, the basic point of my post was to say that above 3 khz you're dealing almost entirely in harmonics.

Another good way to understand the sound of harmonics is from a distorted guitar. A clean plucked electric guitar will have a fairly simple sound, much like any other stringed instrument. A guitar with full on distortion and compression will sound like an entirely different beast, with lots of high frequency information. Distorting or overdriving a guitar brings out more of the harmonic information that's *already in the sound*. Those harmonics are there when you pluck the string, just quieter. Driving the volumes higher means that the harmonics are boosted, while the root tone actually goes into clipping. You get a ragged root tone and a lot of high frequency information.

Only the piccolo and the pipe organ on that chart above even break the 3khz barrier. On a pipe organ, no-one is going to be playing the note that represents 12khz. Pipe organs work by creating whatever harmonic series you desire, thus they designed pipes to play harmonic frequencies almost up beyond the range of human hearing. For practical purposes think of 20-3000hz as where you hear most music. That's a meager 14.9 percent of the entire frequency range we can hear. The other 85.1 percent has everything to do with all those audiophile terms like timbre, detail, soundstage, realism.... Etc.
 
Jul 24, 2007 at 4:49 AM Post #13 of 17
Wow guys, thanks alot. I am really greatful with all the elaborated explanations. I hope this thread helps other head-fiers in the future.

This will definantly help with audio purchases
 
Jul 24, 2007 at 10:15 AM Post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by bigizzy75 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Wow guys, thanks alot. I am really greatful with all the elaborated explanations. I hope this thread helps other head-fiers in the future.

This will definantly help with audio purchases



Agreed! My favourite instruments tend to span across a range of frequencies... looks like I need to get a nice pair of reference headphones + amp then
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Jul 24, 2007 at 1:11 PM Post #15 of 17
Interesting on that chart -- how close female voice and violin are, even in harmonics. Never would have thought that.

And I should get some pipe organ music. What a range!
 

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