NuForce Icon iDo

Sep 8, 2011 at 11:04 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 22

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I just read about this thing on engadget. Sounds like it is a DAC for the ipod. It says it bypasses the ipod's DAC and uses its own, along with its own amp in order to provide sound.

Anyone else have details on this like what chips are inside and everything? I feel like if they simply included a screen and at least a 32 gig hard drive and made it run rockbox, people wouldnt have a need for the ipod in the first place :p
 
Sep 8, 2011 at 11:29 AM Post #2 of 22
Yea, from the description it seems like a DAC though Engadget does say it's an amp. 
 
HP-P1   CLAS   iDo   ... Fight!
 
Sep 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM Post #3 of 22
heck, based on prices alone the iDo would be the clear winner. votes for the iDo come from myself, my college student budget, and my jobless college student wallet. plus half from the bank account. I wish they had some sort of size comparison thing there. I have the Evo3 case on my ipod with the clip and everything and that thing is HUGE now. well protected but HUGE. like creative Zen Vision:M huge.


I bet that its got a cirrus logic chip inside, just based on the 24/48 thing. I just wonder what kind of op amp, capacitors, and circuit it has. Im gonna try to email the company to find out.
 
Sep 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM Post #4 of 22
^ Agreed, it can only be good for consumers. Hopefully we'll have more and more manufacturers entering the portable DAC markets, then there'll be  more variety, increased compatibilities and lower prices. Progress in such audio devices can be slow, but the current selling price of the iDo can indeed drive up quantities demanded, appealing to aspiring audiophiles, and help build up momentum for this class of devices.
 
Edit: this seems to occupy a different niche. It appears to be more desk-bound, more like a dock than a portable device. Requires DC input.
 
Sep 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM Post #5 of 22


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heck, based on prices alone the iDo would be the clear winner. votes for the iDo come from myself, my college student budget, and my jobless college student wallet. plus half from the bank account. I wish they had some sort of size comparison thing there. I have the Evo3 case on my ipod with the clip and everything and that thing is HUGE now. well protected but HUGE. like creative Zen Vision:M huge.


I bet that its got a cirrus logic chip inside, just based on the 24/48 thing. I just wonder what kind of op amp, capacitors, and circuit it has. Im gonna try to email the company to find out.


iDo uses the same DAC as our famous and best selling uDAC-2 (see reviews on http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B003Y5FRNS). Sorry, we don't disclose what parts we use. You have to trust our reputation ;).  There is always 100% money back guarantee if you don't like what you hear (hey, free shipping). 
iDo has improved headphone amp versus uDAC-2, plus all other features that make it work with Apple mobile devices, and IR remote receiver function. 
Nice when you have iPad + iDo + Active speakers
 
 
Sep 9, 2011 at 3:45 PM Post #7 of 22

 So it does not work with a Sony Walkman ?
 
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iDo uses the same DAC as our famous and best selling uDAC-2 (see reviews on http://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B003Y5FRNS). Sorry, we don't disclose what parts we use. You have to trust our reputation ;).  There is always 100% money back guarantee if you don't like what you hear (hey, free shipping). 
iDo has improved headphone amp versus uDAC-2, plus all other features that make it work with Apple mobile devices, and IR remote receiver function. 
Nice when you have iPad + iDo + Active speakers
 



 
 
Sep 9, 2011 at 4:53 PM Post #8 of 22
Just get the Pure i-20, which is Apple certified, extract the pure digital signal from your iPod/iPhone, run a coax or toslink to the amp and DAC you already own, and you are in business. The i20 is $99.99 (it also has a built-in DAC, but not a great one. You can bypass it, however).


Thats not a good option for portable music. Why would you want to bypass the ipod's internal DAC with a device that needs another DAC bypass? Its a fine and dandy option for getting digital out from your ipod on the cheap for a home setup but it would ruin the point of "portable audio" if you need to buy a 99 dollar device for digital output, then another 250-800 dollar device for a proper DAC, plus another 100-500 dollars for a proper headphone amp (assuming you need amping with your portable rig). And by then you'd have 4 devices banded together with wires coming in and out of each one. For those traveling on a plane you'd get maybe 6 hours of battery life from one of the components and then your whole rig would be meaningless, plus you would never get it past security.

I think its dumb that they dont disclose internal components when anyone can buy it and take it apart. The fact that they said they use the same dac as the uDac2 and a better amp than the uDac 2 makes me want it though. I've heard many good things about that. Im not gonna get it though because I dont agree with buying a product without knowing exactly what the company did inside of it. For all I know they could be selling me 30 bucks worth of chips and shoddy soldering job at a higher price. If you really believe your product is the absolute best you can offer at your price point, you should be "man enough" to say how you did it. If someone copies your product, you have patents backing you up in court. If someone finds a glaring flaw in your product, take it off the shelves, fix it, and re-release it.

Theres no reason to hide the internals from a customer.
 
Sep 11, 2011 at 5:52 PM Post #9 of 22
This is exactly why we don't disclose what parts we used. It is the sum of the parts and the technique that created high performance audio.
Many well established companies don't go and publish what parts they use. 
Does all the expensive ingredients put together make a good dish?
Software cost nothing except the bandwidth to distribute it, so base on your logic, we should not pay for software. 
Our Class-D amp is PATENTED. How many high-end companies can claim that they do original R&D? Sure, we are not Bose or like any of the big companies with a ton of patents, but we still do our own R&D.  Sure, digital circuit is cheap if you just count the parts cost. 
Furthermore, is the sound quality simply the result of a particular chip or implementation?  We used AKM, ESS, and a few other brands of DAC chip.
Take ESS for example, their engineer is surprised that we can make their chip sounded so good. We are working with another chip vendor to develop a customized DAC chip.
This is another reason that we don't disclose what we do.
We want to be freed of the burden of promoting a particular chip because the Nuforce brand is what the customers should be relying on. 
Icon Mobile, uDAC-2, Icon, Icon HDP all are best in class products.  So are our earphones. Same with our high-end products. 
Search around the internet, you will find overwhelming positive customers feedback, good reviews and a few bad comments. 
Bad reviews and comments are what make it real, for the fact that some people just don't like the product, or we failed them due to product quality issues that we didn't catch during production.
 
As a comparison with other products, iDo has the lowest margin for us. Not surprising if you survey the price of other high performance external DAC and headphone amp for Apple mobile devices.  And consider all the features that we packed into this product. 
 
Icon iDo is not for everyone. It is for:
 
Office workers:
There are many people who do desk work all day long, and they are not allow to use their work computer for personal stuff. iDo allows them to listen to their Apple mobile devices with very good quality headphones for hours without listening fatigue and much better enjoyment.  Clearly, none of the people who posted here have heard iDo and not realizing how good iDo can sound.  It is really good.
 
Musicians and iPad:
Many people are using iPad to make music for personal or professional use. iDo allows them to listen to the music in high quality audio. Even with a small power adapter, iDo is very portable.
 
Convenient (for high performance audio):
I like to listen to high quality music before going to bed, or when I am reading. It helps me to relax. Perhaps this is my own problem as people who are in pursue of quality, become too sensitive sound quality. Capacity for mobile devices will increase dramatically. And we are also convince that sooner or later, Apple will support 24bit/96khz file format.
The DAC in iDo can support 24/96kHz but since iTunes doesn't support it, we didn't explicitly publish this fact.
Benchmark has published an article that show you how to stream 24/96kHz from computer to iPad using iTunes home sharing feature.
 
 
 
 
Sep 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM Post #10 of 22
I cant really say anything regarding sound quality of nuforce or cypherlabs or fostex, but due to the price point and whatever i've heard about nuforce's stuff, i'd definately have the iDo as my first choice. On an unlimited budget I would go for cypherlabs. Again, this is based purely on heresay, not actual experience with the device.

Also, I would have gone with nuForce's top end dac (i think its the hdp or something) if I hadnt gone the DIY route and built the gamma1f++/2.

Marketing set aside, that was a rather informative post by jasonl, and I know i'll be recommending nuForce to various people who are in the market for audio paraphernalia.

BTW, kudos on not advertising as 24/96 because itunes doesnt support it. Many companies would sooner lie about their product before publishing a result that is less than what the product is capable of. NuForce is in my good books.
 
Sep 11, 2011 at 10:25 PM Post #11 of 22
Engadget said it was portable.....
 
Sep 11, 2011 at 10:39 PM Post #12 of 22
I have no use for this since I have other devices that cover all my bases, but I think this is a pretty neat piece of equipment.   As others have stated, it is intended to be portable not mobile.  It would be a great piece to take on the road or use in the office.  
 
Sep 11, 2011 at 10:48 PM Post #13 of 22


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Just get the Pure i-20, which is Apple certified, extract the pure digital signal from your iPod/iPhone, run a coax or toslink to the amp and DAC you already own, and you are in business. The i20 is $99.99 (it also has a built-in DAC, but not a great one. You can bypass it, however).



Not for nothing, but that looks like a piece of junk.  I would love to have a look inside.   Sure it is only $99.00, but better to spend a little more and get an ND-S1 or comparable piece of equipment.
 
Sep 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM Post #14 of 22
 I see a ac/dc port but it could be for charging the device.  Is this battery powered or do you have to plug it in an outlet? 
 
Sep 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM Post #15 of 22


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 I see a ac/dc port but it could be for charging the device.  Is this battery powered or do you have to plug it in an outlet? 



Needs a PS, which is supplied by NuForce.  They list it in their Desktop Products section.
 

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