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No Pornos on the Sony Blu Ray
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Wrong! There is already adult material on BluRay in Japan. There is a link on AVSforum if you are interested.
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Sony does not want to make or distribute adult material as a company. How is that imposing moral values on YOU? I have already posted that BluRay isn't against adult titles. Your statement makes me think you want to impose YOUR moral values on Sony....
| Well, that just killed the Japanese market for the PS3... |
Wrong! There is already adult material on BluRay in Japan. There is a link on AVSforum if you are interested.
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| I'm not a super big fan of pornos, but I hate it when companies try to force their moral values on their consumers. |
Sony does not want to make or distribute adult material as a company. How is that imposing moral values on YOU? I have already posted that BluRay isn't against adult titles. Your statement makes me think you want to impose YOUR moral values on Sony....
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can someone please post a link explaining why BluRay is better quality than HD-DVD?
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It has a larger capacity disc size which, in theory, gives it more flexibility . However, the quality of what it holds is actually determined by other factors such as codecs and original source material.
| Originally Posted by euclid /img/forum/go_quote.gif can someone please post a link explaining why BluRay is better quality than HD-DVD? |
It has a larger capacity disc size which, in theory, gives it more flexibility . However, the quality of what it holds is actually determined by other factors such as codecs and original source material.
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Interesting article I stumbled across...
Jan. 31, 2007 — Whether you know it or not, there's a war going on. But it's not being fought on the streets of Baghdad or in the halls of the U.S. Senate. This battle is being waged in your living room — or more specifically for your living room.
Two new DVD formats, both of which offer high definition video for those pricey HDTVs, are competing to see which one will replace standard DVDs as the new norm.
The key to winning the battle? Many experts believe it's the adult entertainment industry that will play a key role in determining whether Blu-ray DVD or HD DVD becomes the format of choice, as it was when VHS and Betamax fought it out in the '80s.
"I've heard that we were instrumental in the VHS/Beta format war," said Jackie Ramos, vice president of DVD production for adult movie studio Wicked Pictures. "I don't know if that's totally 100 percent true, but I know we did have some influence."
But this isn't like the VHS/Betamax melee of years ago, because Blu-ray and HD DVD aren't simply squaring off against each other; this war is being fought on multiple fronts, from video on demand and pay-per-view to the Internet.
A Tale of Two Formats
"I don't think the consumer has chosen yet whether they're going to be purchasing Blu-ray or HD [DVD]. Certainly, the **** consumer hasn't made that choice," explained Drew Rosenfeld, creative director for Hustler Video. "I think their choice is at home, on their computer, on their iPod, on their cell phone, where they don't have a home full of all of this smut. They can keep it private on their computer, where they can dispose of it that fast."
Back in the 1980s, the public had a choice, VHS or Betamax, and they overwhelmingly chose VHS. The introduction of the videotape gave the public the chance to capture their favorite television shows, watch movies mere months after they had left theaters and, for the first time, watch **** in the privacy of their own homes and not in a seedy (and very public) adult movie house.
Though you certainly weren't one of the people who indulged in watching adult entertainment on VHS tapes, millions of others were, and as a result it's widely believed that the adult entertainment industry's backing of VHS instead of Betamax, led to the VHS victory.
"Before the videocassette, adult content for the home was mostly print — books, magazines — unless you were willing to endure the occasional eight millimeter movie," explained Russ Crupnick, vice president and senior industry analyst for the NPD Group. "Adult was one of the 'killer apps' for home video in the early days so it had a much greater influence on the first format war."
There are all kinds of reasons why the adult industry chose VHS — price, availability — but at the end of the day the release of a format that could be watched at home allowed anyone who wanted to enjoy an adult film the privacy to do so.
This time things are different. If you're looking for **** — and don't have access to the Internet — your cable provider probably gives you access to hundreds of hours of TV and movies available on demand — hence the name, "video on demand," or VOD. That's expected to increase over time and the breadth of the content will only widen.
"I would imagine that by the end of the year we're going to be more on the VOD streaming side, or pay-per-view — broadcast stuff more than an actual physical DVD," said Rosenfeld. "Everything we're shooting right now is gearing us up for that market."
Increasingly, media-centric devices and software like Apple's upcoming video- and audio-streaming device, Apple TV, and the many media elements incorporated into Microsoft's new Window's operating system, Vista, are making it easier for people to get video from their computers to their TV sets.
There's also the question of whether or not the exotic entertainment watching public really wants to see **** in high definition.
"For the way that most people probably use ****, DVD is probably good enough," said Crupnick. "We're not talking about 'Star Wars' here, I don't think you need 1080p [the highest HDTV video resolution]."
Adult Industry Eyes HD DVD — Anyone Care?
Though they sang a different tune early last year, right now it looks like the erotic entertainment industry is leaning towards HD DVD.
At this year's Adult Entertainment Expo, a massive industry trade and fan show held annually in Las Vegas, many industry leaders commented on difficulties getting their content duplicated on Blu-ray DVD.
"We didn't rule out Blu-ray, it was just an issue of expense and what was readily available to us as," said Ramos. "What happened time-wise was that the HD thing happened for us a lot easier and cheaper than Blu-ray."
One well known adult film director, Joone, even blamed Sony for trying to block erotic movies from reaching the Blu-ray format. Sony denied the claim and Vivid Video, one of the industry's biggest players, is releasing a film on Blu-ray DVD in March entitled "Debbie Does Dallas Again."
But for many adult video content creators, the decision is one of dollars and cents and the high cost of duplicating films on an expensive next-generation format that no one's sure will catch on is not a risk worth taking.
"Financially it's a nightmare because we're not putting out millions of copies per title like the big Hollywood studios are," said Rosenfeld. "We're dealing in the thousands — and then the low thousands — per movie, and so for us to make that kind of an investment right now, doesn't make sense."
The ultimate winner in the battle for living room supremacy is anyone's guess, but whether or not the adult industry will play as big a role as it played in earlier format wars seems unlikely.
The post production facility that I work for also has a dvd authoring center. I talked with our guy here and he said that HD DVD can be easily incorporated into current technology... whereas Blu-Ray requires completely retooling you equipment. We just got a request for an HD DVD project so I'm interested on what we'll do next. (no... it's not naughty videos!)
Jan. 31, 2007 — Whether you know it or not, there's a war going on. But it's not being fought on the streets of Baghdad or in the halls of the U.S. Senate. This battle is being waged in your living room — or more specifically for your living room.
Two new DVD formats, both of which offer high definition video for those pricey HDTVs, are competing to see which one will replace standard DVDs as the new norm.
The key to winning the battle? Many experts believe it's the adult entertainment industry that will play a key role in determining whether Blu-ray DVD or HD DVD becomes the format of choice, as it was when VHS and Betamax fought it out in the '80s.
"I've heard that we were instrumental in the VHS/Beta format war," said Jackie Ramos, vice president of DVD production for adult movie studio Wicked Pictures. "I don't know if that's totally 100 percent true, but I know we did have some influence."
But this isn't like the VHS/Betamax melee of years ago, because Blu-ray and HD DVD aren't simply squaring off against each other; this war is being fought on multiple fronts, from video on demand and pay-per-view to the Internet.
A Tale of Two Formats
"I don't think the consumer has chosen yet whether they're going to be purchasing Blu-ray or HD [DVD]. Certainly, the **** consumer hasn't made that choice," explained Drew Rosenfeld, creative director for Hustler Video. "I think their choice is at home, on their computer, on their iPod, on their cell phone, where they don't have a home full of all of this smut. They can keep it private on their computer, where they can dispose of it that fast."
Back in the 1980s, the public had a choice, VHS or Betamax, and they overwhelmingly chose VHS. The introduction of the videotape gave the public the chance to capture their favorite television shows, watch movies mere months after they had left theaters and, for the first time, watch **** in the privacy of their own homes and not in a seedy (and very public) adult movie house.
Though you certainly weren't one of the people who indulged in watching adult entertainment on VHS tapes, millions of others were, and as a result it's widely believed that the adult entertainment industry's backing of VHS instead of Betamax, led to the VHS victory.
"Before the videocassette, adult content for the home was mostly print — books, magazines — unless you were willing to endure the occasional eight millimeter movie," explained Russ Crupnick, vice president and senior industry analyst for the NPD Group. "Adult was one of the 'killer apps' for home video in the early days so it had a much greater influence on the first format war."
There are all kinds of reasons why the adult industry chose VHS — price, availability — but at the end of the day the release of a format that could be watched at home allowed anyone who wanted to enjoy an adult film the privacy to do so.
This time things are different. If you're looking for **** — and don't have access to the Internet — your cable provider probably gives you access to hundreds of hours of TV and movies available on demand — hence the name, "video on demand," or VOD. That's expected to increase over time and the breadth of the content will only widen.
"I would imagine that by the end of the year we're going to be more on the VOD streaming side, or pay-per-view — broadcast stuff more than an actual physical DVD," said Rosenfeld. "Everything we're shooting right now is gearing us up for that market."
Increasingly, media-centric devices and software like Apple's upcoming video- and audio-streaming device, Apple TV, and the many media elements incorporated into Microsoft's new Window's operating system, Vista, are making it easier for people to get video from their computers to their TV sets.
There's also the question of whether or not the exotic entertainment watching public really wants to see **** in high definition.
"For the way that most people probably use ****, DVD is probably good enough," said Crupnick. "We're not talking about 'Star Wars' here, I don't think you need 1080p [the highest HDTV video resolution]."
Adult Industry Eyes HD DVD — Anyone Care?
Though they sang a different tune early last year, right now it looks like the erotic entertainment industry is leaning towards HD DVD.
At this year's Adult Entertainment Expo, a massive industry trade and fan show held annually in Las Vegas, many industry leaders commented on difficulties getting their content duplicated on Blu-ray DVD.
"We didn't rule out Blu-ray, it was just an issue of expense and what was readily available to us as," said Ramos. "What happened time-wise was that the HD thing happened for us a lot easier and cheaper than Blu-ray."
One well known adult film director, Joone, even blamed Sony for trying to block erotic movies from reaching the Blu-ray format. Sony denied the claim and Vivid Video, one of the industry's biggest players, is releasing a film on Blu-ray DVD in March entitled "Debbie Does Dallas Again."
But for many adult video content creators, the decision is one of dollars and cents and the high cost of duplicating films on an expensive next-generation format that no one's sure will catch on is not a risk worth taking.
"Financially it's a nightmare because we're not putting out millions of copies per title like the big Hollywood studios are," said Rosenfeld. "We're dealing in the thousands — and then the low thousands — per movie, and so for us to make that kind of an investment right now, doesn't make sense."
The ultimate winner in the battle for living room supremacy is anyone's guess, but whether or not the adult industry will play as big a role as it played in earlier format wars seems unlikely.
The post production facility that I work for also has a dvd authoring center. I talked with our guy here and he said that HD DVD can be easily incorporated into current technology... whereas Blu-Ray requires completely retooling you equipment. We just got a request for an HD DVD project so I'm interested on what we'll do next. (no... it's not naughty videos!)
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wow lots of opinions on this,you mean you can't watch any p
rno?
The guy above could have totally just pasted a nice link to that article, maybe
The guy above could have totally just pasted a nice link to that article, maybe
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| Originally Posted by Audiofiler /img/forum/go_quote.gif The guy above could have totally just pasted a nice link to that article, maybe |
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If I can impose my moral values on Sony, that will probably make me the most powerful man on in America. But seriously, if BluRay becomes the standard format and they create obstacles for the ***** movie industry then they are controlling and imposing their will on us.
All I want is freedom of choice for the consumer.
| Originally Posted by uofmtiger /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sony does not want to make or distribute adult material as a company. How is that imposing moral values on YOU? I have already posted that BluRay isn't against adult titles. Your statement makes me think you want to impose YOUR moral values on Sony.... |
If I can impose my moral values on Sony, that will probably make me the most powerful man on in America. But seriously, if BluRay becomes the standard format and they create obstacles for the ***** movie industry then they are controlling and imposing their will on us.
All I want is freedom of choice for the consumer.
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I don't understand the uproar. You as the market control how the PS3 and blu-ray fair, so if you don't like some policy, then guess what? As others have said, don't buy the thing. End of freaking story.
Nothing like something badly shot and very very fake, but at least exploitive and degrading to make the male masses shout from the rooftops.
The sad thing is, sex on film wouldn't be bad at all, and there's probably some good out there, it's just "the industry" thing is very...industrial. It's not sexual, sensual, erotic. Nothing. It's just demeaning and fake. I don't get the appeal of it. I bet you have to go indy to find where the good stuff is, and the point of all this is, that indy stuff will fly well under the radar so that none of this will really matter or should impact your purchase decisions.
Nothing like something badly shot and very very fake, but at least exploitive and degrading to make the male masses shout from the rooftops.
The sad thing is, sex on film wouldn't be bad at all, and there's probably some good out there, it's just "the industry" thing is very...industrial. It's not sexual, sensual, erotic. Nothing. It's just demeaning and fake. I don't get the appeal of it. I bet you have to go indy to find where the good stuff is, and the point of all this is, that indy stuff will fly well under the radar so that none of this will really matter or should impact your purchase decisions.
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Well, no offense plainsong, you're a woman, you'll never understand man's view about ****. For men, even a bad **** is still good
| Originally Posted by plainsong /img/forum/go_quote.gif I don't understand the uproar. You as the market control how the PS3 and blu-ray fair, so if you don't like some policy, then guess what? As others have said, don't buy the thing. End of freaking story. Nothing like something badly shot and very very fake, but at least exploitive and degrading to make the male masses shout from the rooftops. The sad thing is, sex on film wouldn't be bad at all, and there's probably some good out there, it's just "the industry" thing is very...industrial. It's not sexual, sensual, erotic. Nothing. It's just demeaning and fake. I don't get the appeal of it. I bet you have to go indy to find where the good stuff is, and the point of all this is, that indy stuff will fly well under the radar so that none of this will really matter or should impact your purchase decisions. |
Well, no offense plainsong, you're a woman, you'll never understand man's view about ****. For men, even a bad **** is still good
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That's like saying men are sexual and women are not. No, not true at all. Like I said, I wouldn't be posting in this thread if there was anything wrong, in principle with sex on film. It's just this whole example of Vivid, the core of "the industry" that I don't understand the uproar about what they do or don't do. It's really really really fake. I can't describe in detail how I'd know that (unless you'd like to email me and I can describe the birds and the bees for you), it's just anyone with any life experience would know it as well. It's just not very good, and when I say it's exploitive, I don't just mean women, but men as well. The characters are exploited, the actors are exploited, and anyone thinking it's real is exploited. It's just not sensual, erotic, entertaining, or anything.
There are plenty of men who see through it too, believe-you-me. My whole point is, that if there is better out there, and the law of averages says there must be, that it's going to fly well below the radar of the Sony moral-police. Certainly someone out there must be making good erotica of the soft or hardcore nature, but it ain't "the industry."
| Originally Posted by RYCeT /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well, no offense plainsong, you're a woman, you'll never understand man's view about ****. For men, even a bad **** is still good
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That's like saying men are sexual and women are not. No, not true at all. Like I said, I wouldn't be posting in this thread if there was anything wrong, in principle with sex on film. It's just this whole example of Vivid, the core of "the industry" that I don't understand the uproar about what they do or don't do. It's really really really fake. I can't describe in detail how I'd know that (unless you'd like to email me and I can describe the birds and the bees for you), it's just anyone with any life experience would know it as well. It's just not very good, and when I say it's exploitive, I don't just mean women, but men as well. The characters are exploited, the actors are exploited, and anyone thinking it's real is exploited. It's just not sensual, erotic, entertaining, or anything.
There are plenty of men who see through it too, believe-you-me. My whole point is, that if there is better out there, and the law of averages says there must be, that it's going to fly well below the radar of the Sony moral-police. Certainly someone out there must be making good erotica of the soft or hardcore nature, but it ain't "the industry."
Actually, my wife likes pr*n.
And yes, most out there is just so cheesy and over the top fake that it's basically unwatchable.
But She and I have discussed the potential for HD pr*n, and based on the appearance of some people in mainstream movies in HD, HD pr*n may not be a blessing after all. I don't think we all want to see every little bit of detail. LOL, the body makeup budget will skyrocket for the production companies.
But funny thing, many people worried about that for TV, but makeup artist techiniques just had to evolve. They use airbrushes more for makeup now as well.
As for BluRay vs. HD-DVD, if the pr*n industry as a whole prefers one format over the other, that will probably spell death for the other format, if past history is an indicator.
But honestly, I think both formats will die if they don't start pumping out more mainstream titles quickly. Pr*n alone won't save either format.
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And yes, most out there is just so cheesy and over the top fake that it's basically unwatchable.
But She and I have discussed the potential for HD pr*n, and based on the appearance of some people in mainstream movies in HD, HD pr*n may not be a blessing after all. I don't think we all want to see every little bit of detail. LOL, the body makeup budget will skyrocket for the production companies.
But funny thing, many people worried about that for TV, but makeup artist techiniques just had to evolve. They use airbrushes more for makeup now as well.
As for BluRay vs. HD-DVD, if the pr*n industry as a whole prefers one format over the other, that will probably spell death for the other format, if past history is an indicator.
But honestly, I think both formats will die if they don't start pumping out more mainstream titles quickly. Pr*n alone won't save either format.
-Ed
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Nope, what I'm trying to say is men and women are wired differently. Most men prefer to watch the action where as women prefer to see the story & situation leading to the sex scenes.
| Originally Posted by plainsong /img/forum/go_quote.gif That's like saying men are sexual and women are not. No, not true at all. |
Nope, what I'm trying to say is men and women are wired differently. Most men prefer to watch the action where as women prefer to see the story & situation leading to the sex scenes.
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po rn has a story?
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Once again, the obstacles are that "Sony does not want to make or distribute adult material as a company." They own Bluray, but they allow other manufactures to make their own choices.
You have "freedom of choice", which is what you do not seem to get. Sony should also be allowed the same freedom to produce and manufacture what they want. Disney (for example) does not make adult movies, but that does not mean you do not have the choice to pick it up elsewhere. This is all Sony is doing. They do not want to make it, but they have apparently agreed to allow the BluRay format to carry it.
| Originally Posted by arnesto /img/forum/go_quote.gif If I can impose my moral values on Sony, that will probably make me the most powerful man on in America. But seriously, if BluRay becomes the standard format and they create obstacles for the ***** movie industry then they are controlling and imposing their will on us. All I want is freedom of choice for the consumer. |
Once again, the obstacles are that "Sony does not want to make or distribute adult material as a company." They own Bluray, but they allow other manufactures to make their own choices.
You have "freedom of choice", which is what you do not seem to get. Sony should also be allowed the same freedom to produce and manufacture what they want. Disney (for example) does not make adult movies, but that does not mean you do not have the choice to pick it up elsewhere. This is all Sony is doing. They do not want to make it, but they have apparently agreed to allow the BluRay format to carry it.
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