The_Duke_Of_Eli
Headphoneus Supremus
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I think you're a bit off base here. I think you need to read any release from any well-informed technology magazine or website. Perpendicular drives for PCs, laptops and digital music players will be commonplace in 2007. If you don't beleive me then buy the Vision:W and we'll see who's laughing in a couple of months.
Secondly the F41 was a first generation product and toshiba is fitting 40gb per platter. They also have an 80gb version and what makes you think that they can't fit another to make 120gb? Everyone almost laid an egg with the high-capacity (at that time) 4gb Nano so I'm sure that they'll be using 3 platter configurations soon. And hard drives haven't been getting bigger; they've been getting smaller. Ever heard of a cornice drive? Didn't think so. Sure it's out of date now, but that was a big step forward in smaller hard drives. With smaller devices now, and a need for bigger capacities, hard drives will get smaller.
I'll also have you know that I'm not an Ipod fanboy, and I owned a Zen Vision:M 30gb player for about a month and loved it. The only thing I didn't like was the lack of lossless support. I'm saying that if you want 2.1 cm in your pocket plus the extra weight then bo ahead and buy a thick player. If you're going that thick you might as well get a PVP. That was my point, so I don't know what you're talking about.
I know the ipod 5g is rated at about an hour and a half of video, but here's a newsflash: it's not an Ipod Video. A PVP is designed to watch videos on it. The 5g ipod's video capabilities is just an extra, and the screen sucks compared to the Vision:M. But with the two players side-by-side the ipod just seems like such a better choice in your pocket. Also you need a case which'll add even more thickness in your pocket.
It's nice that maybe you'll get a double-capacity battery with your Vision:W (for about 60$ and an extra third of an inch), but your comparison to the AV500 isn't a fair one. If you want to compare apples to apples compare it to the Achos 606. The AV500 is an older model now which also had PVR functionalities, a crap load of accessories and a digital camera.
I also don't care what brand of players it is, but sonically no headphone out will match the quality of a line-out output. It's impossible, but maybe you'll find a way. Let me know.
And when I said: "but at that size and the higher weight you might as well bite the bullet and get a PVP". I was talking about the Vision:M 60gb compared to biting the bullet and getting a Vision:W. Granted both are fine products, but the Vision:M 60gb is too thick and I'd be torn between a Vision:W and an Archos 604.
Thanks for flaming me though, but I think you have some more research to do before you start to challenge what I'm saying.
| Originally Posted by skyline889 If you've never owned one, I would appreciate if you stay out of this and not voice a negative opinion on a product you've never even seen, felt, tried, or owned. There's differences between looking at specs and actually using it. I use my Zen Vision 30GB everyday and it's not cumbersome or heavy, it feels substantial yes, but that gives me a higher sense of build quality and fit and finish then the "mickey mouse" feeling I got off the 5G Ipod. Once I get the money this will definitely be on my to buy list. On a side note, The Duke Of Eli, please stop this thread crapping please, if you don't like Creative that's fine, but please stop criticizing their products. As an Ipod lover, you're speaking from a biased point of view. If you want to complain about it why don't you make a thread about it, if not please refrain from posting more comments like "22.1 mm?? That's insane!!", or "If you want something tha that big, just bite the bullet and buy a PVP". I'm not sure if you were aware, of if you personally classify a PVP as something something other than a player designed to play video however, the Zen Vision W IS a PVP. You don't like it when people prod about the Ipod so please don't do it yourself. If you feel the need to post, at least get your facts together please. We are not on "bordering on the release of perpendicular HD's", Toshiba lauched the F41 with a 1.8" 40GB perpendicular over a year ago on August 16th, 2005. Second, why do you feel that perpendicular technology will increase a player's strength so much? Sure with a perp. drive you can fit an 80gb disk into a player but so what? HD size is continually increasing, and HD's will always be getting bigger as new technology is developed. Third, overpriced? The 30GBArchos AV500, which you so often praise, sells for $450, for ten dollars more you can purchase the 60GB Creative Zen Vision. Fourth, 4.5 hours of battery life is the time rated for constant video playback, the Ipod, with a screen almost half the size of the Zen Vision w, is only rated at 2 hours, and that rating was not conservative by any means, two hours is if you're lucky. I know, I had one. For audio playback, it's rated only an hour less with the standard battery, than the smaller screened Ipod 30Gb Ipod, and if they release a large capacity battery like they did with the Vision 30GB, battery life doubles. Compared to the smaller screened AV500, video playback battery life is the same, with a two hour difference between audio playback. Fifth, "I'm sure it'll be acceptable, but not line-out acceptable". Are you just fooling or what? The Creative Players, with the exception of the first gen Micro which had some hiss problems, are touted for some of the best sound quality in the portable audio world. On top of the 97db SNR, the player sounds fantastic, both out of the headphone out and the line-out, yes it does include a built-in line-out if you weren't aware. In fact, in the past, Creative's players were noted that the only thing they could do right, was sound really good. Lastly, "but at that size and the higher weight you might as well bite the bullet and get a PVP", as I have said before unless you classify a PVP as somethign that was not deisgned to be a play videos portably, the Zen Vision W is indeed a portable video player. |
I think you're a bit off base here. I think you need to read any release from any well-informed technology magazine or website. Perpendicular drives for PCs, laptops and digital music players will be commonplace in 2007. If you don't beleive me then buy the Vision:W and we'll see who's laughing in a couple of months.
Secondly the F41 was a first generation product and toshiba is fitting 40gb per platter. They also have an 80gb version and what makes you think that they can't fit another to make 120gb? Everyone almost laid an egg with the high-capacity (at that time) 4gb Nano so I'm sure that they'll be using 3 platter configurations soon. And hard drives haven't been getting bigger; they've been getting smaller. Ever heard of a cornice drive? Didn't think so. Sure it's out of date now, but that was a big step forward in smaller hard drives. With smaller devices now, and a need for bigger capacities, hard drives will get smaller.
I'll also have you know that I'm not an Ipod fanboy, and I owned a Zen Vision:M 30gb player for about a month and loved it. The only thing I didn't like was the lack of lossless support. I'm saying that if you want 2.1 cm in your pocket plus the extra weight then bo ahead and buy a thick player. If you're going that thick you might as well get a PVP. That was my point, so I don't know what you're talking about.
I know the ipod 5g is rated at about an hour and a half of video, but here's a newsflash: it's not an Ipod Video. A PVP is designed to watch videos on it. The 5g ipod's video capabilities is just an extra, and the screen sucks compared to the Vision:M. But with the two players side-by-side the ipod just seems like such a better choice in your pocket. Also you need a case which'll add even more thickness in your pocket.
It's nice that maybe you'll get a double-capacity battery with your Vision:W (for about 60$ and an extra third of an inch), but your comparison to the AV500 isn't a fair one. If you want to compare apples to apples compare it to the Achos 606. The AV500 is an older model now which also had PVR functionalities, a crap load of accessories and a digital camera.
I also don't care what brand of players it is, but sonically no headphone out will match the quality of a line-out output. It's impossible, but maybe you'll find a way. Let me know.
And when I said: "but at that size and the higher weight you might as well bite the bullet and get a PVP". I was talking about the Vision:M 60gb compared to biting the bullet and getting a Vision:W. Granted both are fine products, but the Vision:M 60gb is too thick and I'd be torn between a Vision:W and an Archos 604.
Thanks for flaming me though, but I think you have some more research to do before you start to challenge what I'm saying.
