[angelom]

https://open.qobuz.com/album/s5f0qu85uvzcc
(Fracture - The Steven Wilson Mix in Hi-Res)

The link I posting before is from the same mix by S. Wilson, and is a link from the official YouTube channel of the band so the sound is very decent still.

@WDitters, I'm sorry but I'm wrong in my previous post. The first link I posting before is actually the 1997 first release mix of the 1973 concert. Here is the YouTube version of the Steven Wilson mix from 2014 that you posting (all my original comments previously are referring about the S. Wilson mix):

 

[Dragonmilenario]

I just tried these headphones at my local store, but only with the iPhone via Bluetooth, and I felt the bass was a little bloated and uncontrolled, even in hi-fi mode (the bass mode for me is unusable). Does it get better with a cable?

 

[angelom]

I just tried these headphones at my local store, but only with the iPhone via Bluetooth, and I felt the bass was a little bloated and uncontrolled, even in hi-fi mode (the bass mode for me is unusable). Does it get better with a cable?

Do you trying "hI-fi" and "bass" modes with ANC Off? This is making a difference because ANC On is adding little more bass to both modes (people here, like me, usually preferring ANC Off and "hi-fi" mode for best sound in BT and USB-C modes)

In fully passive mode (with 3.5mm cable and headphone completely off) you have less bass, so maybe this will being your preference in sound.

 

[Tim van der Leeuw]

The link I posting before is from the same mix by S. Wilson, and is a link from the official YouTube channel of the band so the sound is very decent still.

The advantage of a YouTube link is that just about anyone can open it, but sound from YouTube is still generally of crappy quality in my experience. :'(

Well, perhaps this link is better, don't know yet.

 

[Dragonmilenario]

Do you trying "hI-fi" and "bass" modes with ANC Off? This is making a difference because ANC On is adding little more bass to both modes (people here, like me, usually preferring ANC Off and "hi-fi" mode for best sound in BT and USB-C modes)

In fully passive mode (with 3.5mm cable and headphone completely off) you have less bass, so maybe this will being your preference in sound.

Thanks, I’ll try with the 3.5mm cable.

 

[Tim van der Leeuw]

Thanks, I’ll try with the 3.5mm cable.

I found the Dali IO-12 to sound quite flat and boring in passive mode. I was not convinced by that.

In Bluetooth mode it was the best sounding Bluetooth headphone I have tried, that is for sure. But its passive performance was not as convincing to me unfortunately...

 

[bluex]

Did anyone tried the Bathys and Dali IO 12?
What about the soundstage between the two?
Thank you

 

[aaronjensen]

Did anyone tried the Bathys and Dali IO 12?
What about the soundstage between the two?
Thank you

I've had (and returned) both. I greatly preferred the IO-12 in all aspects. Sound stage, clarity, comfort. If not for a few things I would have kept it. I ended up with the Solitaire T, but I think I preferred the sound of the IO-12 slightly.

 

[streetbeat]

Alright, gave 'em a small round of Teams meetings. Here's my observations:

• People on the other side say they can follow me, but my voice is a bit--I quote--"cloudy".
• True, NO volume control as previously outlined in this thread. And that fixed volume is noticeably higher that I prefer.
• While it's possible to switch Quiet/Aware/Off modes during the call, sidetone is always enabled, i.e. Quiet is rather a weird mix of ANC and transparency. I don't get the idea at all.

 

[bluex]

Thank you so much for your reply
So, the soundstage is larger on Dali? What about the sound quality, generally speaking!
I listen almost everything, except hip hop, techno, house.....
What do you like more on Solitaire vs Dali?
I've had them but didn't like soundstage.

I've had (and returned) both. I greatly preferred the IO-12 in all aspects. Sound stage, clarity, comfort. If not for a few things I would have kept it. I ended up with the Solitaire T, but I think I preferred the sound of the IO-12 slightly.

 

[polymathic]

Thank you so much for your reply
So, the soundstage is larger on Dali? What about the sound quality, generally speaking!
I listen almost everything, except hip hop, techno, house.....
What do you like more on Solitaire vs Dali?
I've had them but didn't like soundstage.

The Dali definitely has a wider soundstage and better sound than the Bathys.

 

[bluex]

Thank you so much.
Last question : how is the bass, compared to Bathys?

 

[aaronjensen]

Thank you so much for your reply
So, the soundstage is larger on Dali? What about the sound quality, generally speaking!
I listen almost everything, except hip hop, techno, house.....
What do you like more on Solitaire vs Dali?
I've had them but didn't like soundstage.

For the Solitaire, the size worked better for me. The ear pads of the Dali also made me hear my heartbeat very loud, which was distracting. There are Bluetooth calling issues with the Dali as well, see the thread (mic is bad, volume is fixed, etc.)

 

[bluex]

Thank you
What do you mean " volume is fixed " ?
Does it sound as loud as Bathys, let's say both at 75 % volume? I mean, music not for calling.
I don't really care about calling ( headphones, generally speaking)
I didn't like the Solitaire because of the narrow soundstage and low volume at 80 - 90 %
Way to low, imo.
Do you like the Solitaire soundstage? Compared to Bathys, for example.
Again, thank you for your reply

 

[aaronjensen]

Thank you
What do you mean " volume is fixed " ?
Does it sound as loud as Bathys, let's say both at 75 % volume? I mean, music not for calling.
I don't really care about calling ( headphones, generally speaking)
I didn't like the Solitaire because of the narrow soundstage and low volume at 80 - 90 %
Way to low, imo.
Do you like the Solitaire soundstage? Compared to Bathys, for example.
Again, thank you for your reply

Fixed, as in, cannot be adjusted. It was too loud for calls for me (someone else mentions the same a couple pages back). They may fix this in firmware.

The Solitaire sound stage is fine for me, but I preferred the Dali. I didn’t keep the Bathys for long, and I didn’t have them at the same time as the Solitaire, so I can’t compare those well.