Need direction to high quality DAC with EQ but without AMP!

Aug 26, 2021 at 2:02 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 11

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Looking for a unit that will have high quality DAC with EQ but without a crappy amp thrown in to boot, as I want this unit fed by USB from PC, XLR output to XI audio Broadway amp XLR input.

the RME is a Dac/amp, looking for dac/EQ only thanks.
 
Aug 26, 2021 at 2:48 PM Post #2 of 11
My two cents, do not get a DAC with a built in EQ.
Better to use the PC's software EQ, like included in whatever program you use for playing audio files.
 
Aug 26, 2021 at 2:54 PM Post #3 of 11
Looking for a unit that will have high quality DAC with EQ but without a crappy amp thrown in to boot, as I want this unit fed by USB from PC, XLR output to XI audio Broadway amp XLR input.

the RME is a Dac/amp, looking for dac/EQ only thanks.
1st. Don't see what the problem is with the RME, i's a very good DAC. Yes it has EQ options but nothing says that you have to use them...

2nd. Take a look at Equalizer APO if you're serious about using EQ. Most likely the best EQ software out there although not the easiest to use.
 
Aug 26, 2021 at 3:21 PM Post #4 of 11
1st. Don't see what the problem is with the RME, i's a very good DAC. Yes it has EQ options but nothing says that you have to use them...

2nd. Take a look at Equalizer APO if you're serious about using EQ. Most likely the best EQ software out there although not the easiest to use.
You may have slightly misread… I’m looking to implement the wonderful dac on the RME, as well as its EQ, but I have a much higher end amp downstream so I’m trying to bypass internal amplification that will be sub par and add unwanted processing.
 
Aug 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM Post #5 of 11
I'm confused, doesn't the RME have line outs? Why not just use those? I'm not that familiar with RME, so maybe I'm missing something?
 
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Aug 26, 2021 at 3:48 PM Post #6 of 11
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I'm confused, doesn't the RME have line outs? Why not just use those? I'm not that familiar with RME, so maybe I'm missing something?
this may very well highlight my own misunderstanding of how these systems work, but yes, the RME has dual XLR analog balanced line out, however the volume controls the power output of those XLR outputs, which as far as I understand means that the signal is not only being processed by the internal DAC and EQ, but also the internal Amp.

I do not want this Amp to process and color/degrade the signal to the higher quality amp downstream.

that making sense? Please correct me if I’m in error
 
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Aug 26, 2021 at 4:10 PM Post #7 of 11
So

this may very well highlight my own misunderstanding of how these systems work, but yes, the RME has dual XLR analog balanced line out, however the volume controls the power output of those XLR outputs, which as far as I understand means that the signal is not only being processed by the internal DAC and EQ, but also the internal Amp.

I do not want this Amp to process and color/degrade the signal to the higher quality amp downstream.

that making sense? Please correct me if I’m in error

Oh no that shouldn't be a concern. All DACs have an analog section, some have variable output. There might be a way to set it to fixed rather than variable, but if not just put the volume on max. You're not getting any signal degradation from it
 
Aug 26, 2021 at 5:03 PM Post #9 of 11
The RME ADI-2 DAC does not produce any audible noise or distortion. The amplification inside is also not crappy as you seem to assume. It is probably as clean or cleaner than most amplifiers you can buy.
It just doesn’t compare to the XI audio Broadway that will come right after it.

So the amplifier is NOT processing/adding it’s own “color” to the signal if I am using the rear line out XLR’s on the RME?

thanks
 
Aug 26, 2021 at 5:20 PM Post #10 of 11
It just doesn’t compare to the XI audio Broadway that will come right after it.

So the amplifier is NOT processing/adding it’s own “color” to the signal if I am using the rear line out XLR’s on the RME?

thanks
The ADI-2 adds no "color" at all. Distortion and noise are below what is audible with some room to spare.
 
Aug 27, 2021 at 12:18 AM Post #11 of 11
So

this may very well highlight my own misunderstanding of how these systems work, but yes, the RME has dual XLR analog balanced line out, however the volume controls the power output of those XLR outputs, which as far as I understand means that the signal is not only being processed by the internal DAC and EQ, but also the internal Amp.

It's not using the whole amplifier stage, just the preamp stage.

When people say "DAC-HPamp" there are actually three stages - a DAC with an analogue output stage, the preamp stage, and the amp output stage. Unless it's one of those digital gain amplifiers like the stuff from Wadia and NAD etc, regardless of whether there are preamplifier outputs or not, there is a preamplifier stage to control the amplifier output stage.

Think of it like the DAC being the ECU, the amp is the engine, and the preamplifier is the transmission. And those fancy digital gain amplifiers (not merely digital volume control, like on modern Meier amps, plus any amps that uses a button or an HT receiver with an infinitely spinning rotary knob) or as they call them "Power DACs" (it's basically a DAC that feeds straight into an analogue output stage, nixing the analogue preamp stage) are basically Teslas.

Think of a Power DAC like a smartphone audio chip where the Power DAC is a Tesla and the smartphone audio chip is a Tamiya 4WD.


I do not want this Amp to process and color/degrade the signal to the higher quality amp downstream.

that making sense? Please correct me if I’m in error

Any preamp can have some coloration...if you hook it up to a test bench and find one preamp is 0.001% THD+N while another is 0.0005% THD+N. Unless it's a tube amp that deliberately colors it or a really bad solid state preamp I wouldn't really worry about it.

What I would worry about is whether the downstream amp has its own preamp and not just basic gain controls.

When your DAC or theater DSP has a preamp output you use that with pure power amps - like those monolithic boxes for home speaker systems - since they don't have their own preamps. You can also use a DAC with a preamp with powered monitors with only the most basic gain controls, or car audio DSPs feeding a preamp signal to amplifiers that have a similar gain control, for one reason: you're not supposed to stand and turn one knob on each pro monitor or even just the one knob on a Master-Slave home monitor system, much less have to park the car and reach into the trunk to twist some tiny gain knobs in an amp that's probably mounted under the seat or under some kind of plexiglass to protext the the heatsink from getting scratched by your cargo (hopefully with vent holes on the plexiglass).

If you're using an integrated amplifier to drive passive speakers or a headphone amplifier, you have to use a DAC's regular analogue line output. It's still analogue, since the DAC is a Digital to Analogue Converter, and not a DDC, but it totally can't function as a DAC without that.

If you want totally zero coloration from before the amplifier then the only ways to do that is to use one of a "Power DAC"...but then again if you want to use an EQ then there's going to be coloration anyway, not to mention a Power DAC can't integrate an analogue EQ. If you just want coloration that you dictate, well, then use a digital EQ with a Power DAC.
 

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