Need 5 good shoegazer albums!

Aug 4, 2006 at 12:42 AM Post #16 of 78
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Originally Posted by mbd
Have a listen to Verve's early stuff, particularly songs like 'Blue' on their first album. Same goes with Curve - try their 'Frozen' EP and you'll hear some shoegaze in there...


Curve - Pubic Fruit
This is for the shoegaze hounds out there, collects three EPs together that were released before debut album, 13 tracks total:
-blindfold EP
-frozen EP
-cherry EP
and from Fait EP they include 12" extended version "fait accompli"
Each successive EP achieves a denser droning style so by the time Cherry EP was released you have shoegaze nirvana with the goddess Toni Halliday to guide you along

Pubic Fruit + Doppelhanger = great shoegaze stuff for sure, no doubt!
 
Aug 4, 2006 at 1:36 AM Post #18 of 78
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Originally Posted by bong
how about top 10 shoegaze songs?



Oh.. great idea.. I have to think about this one for a while.

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-jar
 
Aug 4, 2006 at 1:38 AM Post #19 of 78
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Originally Posted by mbd
I think you'll find it was Garbage who 'borrowed' their sound from Curve, rather than the other way around. Garbages 1995 album (their first) sounds a lot like Curve's Doppelganger in parts, which was released in 1992...


Yea, I remember the first time I heard Garbage I almost laughed out loud. I mean, they do write some pretty good pop tunes, but the formula wasn't exactly original by that time..

-jar
 
Aug 4, 2006 at 1:59 AM Post #20 of 78
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Originally Posted by trains are bad
Would anyone recommend against getting Jesus&Mary chain's '21 singles' off yourmusic.com, or would it be better to get one of their albums?


Does a good job of collecting good JMAC songs, but sound quality was not good for me, bright thin grainy sound, but for only $6 why not...........also get essential debut Psychocandy every song is noise/feedback nirvana!
 
Aug 4, 2006 at 3:02 AM Post #21 of 78
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Originally Posted by bong
how about top 10 shoegaze songs?



Jar's Ten Essential 'Gazer Toons (chronological order)

A.R. Kane - Baby Milk Snatcher (Sixty-nine 1988)
My Bloody Valentine - Sometimes (Loveless 1991)
Chapterhouse - Treasure (Whirlpool 1991)
Moose - Do You Remember? (Reprise EP 1991)
Mercury Rev - Frittering (Yerself is Steam 1991)
Pale Saints - Neverending Night (In Ribbons 1992)
Ride - Ox4 (Going Blank Again 1992)
Swirlies - Upstairs (What to do About Them 1992)
Medicine - Live it Down (The Buried Life 1993)
Slowdive - Blue Skied an' Clear (Pygmalion 1995)
 
Aug 4, 2006 at 3:15 AM Post #22 of 78
Thanks for the advice - I will have to check out early Verve and Curve.

"Barbed wire kisses" was a terrific record, maybe better than Psychocandy.
Further Mary Chain reminiscence: I saw them in '88 or '89 - snuck a tape recorder in and got the whole thing (lost now, I think). I remember when Automatic was released I was surprised that the lyrics to "Gimme hell" had been changed. And in that original performance, at the end the band just kept on playing until Jim yelled "Stop." So cool!
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Aug 5, 2006 at 2:46 PM Post #23 of 78
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Originally Posted by eyeresist
I'm so glad this music hasn't been forgotten!

Ride: the early EPs (compiled as "Smile") and "Nowhere". Remember that only the first 8 tracks of the CD were on the original vinyl release; the subsequent songs are from B-sides. "Going blank again" might've been good if it hadn't been a double-album.

Slowdive: I only have a couple of their early EPs. "Losing today" was awesome. Apparently their first album has been released with a bonus disc of tracks from their EPs - probably worth looking out for.

Yes, the J&MC (1st two albums) were basically the fathers of shoegazer, not only in use of noise and simple pop structures, but also in the "cool" attitude that won the genre its dodgy monicker. (Early MBV is in fact just 2nd-rate J&MC!)

I never actually heard Chapterhouse; I just remember they were pretty much a running joke in Melody Maker in the early 1990s.

Exclusions: of the previously mentioned, I would say that Swervedriver, Curve, Boo Radleys and Verve don't really qualify. I can't exactly quantify my reasoning, but I'm sure being "too rockin' " has something to do with it...

Edit: thanks for the link, DA. Very useful!



eyeresist is right about Ride's Nowhere being extended on the CD version... the original vinyl version ends at "Vapourtrail" but the CD adds the three last tracks from the Fall EP.

was Going Blank Again a double album? it only had 10 tracks.

definitely get some Slowdive CDs, especially Just For A Day and Souvlaki; two classic shoegaze albums. i believe the former was recently remastered with bonus tracks.

i totally agree with JAMC being the fathers of shoegaze. people will keep pointing at MBV's Isn't Anything as the first shoegaze album but for me it's Psychocandy, which predates it by more than two years. as for 21 singles, it does a good job at collecting the singles but JAMC were one of those bands that changed styles with each album... from shoegaze noise to slightly industrial dance to acoustic pop and back. 21 Singles is a good intro to the band if one isn't familiar with them, but their classic album is still Psychocandy.

Chapterhouse, for some reason they're always the blunt joke of the genre, dunno why. i thought Whirlpool was pretty good, maybe a touch too dancey though.

early Verve definitely qualifies for Shoegaze, especially the early singles, where a good number of songs are collected on Verve EP. the debut album A Storm in Heaven is also a Shoegaze classic.

never mind that the Boo Radleys hit it big with the sunny britpop of Wake Up! but again like Verve their early singles are definitely shoegaze... pick up Learning to Walk if you can find it; it collectes songs from early EPs and is an amazing collection of shoegaze work. Everything's Alright Forever is also a great shoegaze album, i can listen to "Does This Hurt?" over and over again. Giant Steps still retains the sonic shoegaze formula but the band experiments with song structure and arrangements... still it's an amazing album with a kaleidoscope of styles.

like DA said, Swervedriver is also very shoegazey, although more rock than many other shoegaze bands. Raise and Mezcal Head are very very good.

like Swervedriver, Catherine Wheel was also very rock, but still shoegaze. i can listen to Ferment and Chrome from days on end.

anyway, my not-so-thought-out top 10 shoegaze songs, in no particular order:
Dreams Burn Down - Ride
Morningrise - Slowdive
Black Metallic - Catherine Wheel
Gravity Grave - Verve
Nothing Natural - Lush
Boo Radleys - Does This Hurt?
Jesus and Mary Chain - You Trip Me Up
To Here Knows When - My Bloody Valentine
Swervedriver - Last Train to Satansville
Drive Blind - Ride
 
Aug 5, 2006 at 3:30 PM Post #24 of 78
Autolux (self titled)
the first 2 Black Rebel Motorcycle Club albums (not Howl)
 
Aug 5, 2006 at 7:55 PM Post #25 of 78
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Originally Posted by gratefulshrink
Sorry for the long post, but I just copied this info about JAMC re-releases from Othermusic.com weekly update:

Psychocandy THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN
$18.99 CD Psychocandy - DualDisc
[29]Buy (Rhino)

[JS]



Just got the Psychocandy dual disc at Best Buy (had reward zone money to spend) and the CD side really sounds great! Much of grain glare has been removed from treble allowing more natural vocals and soundstage size has expanded nicely, more details like drum strikes, bass notes etc now can be heard from the dense noise matrix........still crushing walls of distortion when required, yes! A classic gem shines brighter than ever.

Do not have home theater speaker set-up to hear the DVD side enhanced dolby sound, could be devastating! Do get three videos.......wish there were added bonus tracks to CD side instead of only original CD tracks.
 
Aug 5, 2006 at 8:39 PM Post #26 of 78
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Originally Posted by bong
i totally agree with JAMC being the fathers of shoegaze. people will keep pointing at MBV's Isn't Anything as the first shoegaze album but for me it's Psychocandy, which predates it by more than two years.


I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here. I think Spacemen 3 were the fathers of shoegaze. They formed in 1982 -- two years before JAMC. And although their first full length, Sound of Confusion, came out a year after Psychocandy, it was still earlier than Isn't Anything.

Honestly, I'm always surprised that Spacemen 3 don't get a lot of love on these shoegazer threads.
 
Aug 5, 2006 at 10:28 PM Post #27 of 78
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Just got the Psychocandy dual disc at Best Buy (had reward zone money to spend) and the CD side really sounds great! Much of grain glare has been removed from treble allowing more natural vocals and soundstage size has expanded nicely, more details like drum strikes, bass notes etc now can be heard from the dense noise matrix........still crushing walls of distortion when required, yes! A classic gem shines brighter than ever.

Do not have home theater speaker set-up to hear the DVD side enhanced dolby sound, could be devastating! Do get three videos.......wish there were added bonus tracks to CD side instead of only original CD tracks.



What.......Psychocandy dual disc is missing one track from my older CD version! New DD version has 14 tracks vs 15 tracks and the missing track is "some candy talking"
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Aug 5, 2006 at 10:56 PM Post #28 of 78
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Originally Posted by gratefulshrink
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here. I think Spacemen 3 were the fathers of shoegaze. They formed in 1982 -- two years before JAMC. And although their first full length, Sound of Confusion, came out a year after Psychocandy, it was still earlier than Isn't Anything.

Honestly, I'm always surprised that Spacemen 3 don't get a lot of love on these shoegazer threads.



Listening to "sound of confusion" right now and for sure it would appeal to shoegaze fans, has more of a retro psychedellic sound than JAMC but still plenty of dense feedback/distortion drenched sound. As I recall though Spaceman 3 sound changed after this debut into softer more "spacey" sound that has less shoegaze styling.
 
Aug 6, 2006 at 1:42 AM Post #29 of 78
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Originally Posted by DarkAngel
Listening to "sound of confusion" right now and for sure it would appeal to shoegaze fans, has more of a retro psychedellic sound than JAMC but still plenty of dense feedback/distortion drenched sound. As I recall though Spaceman 3 sound changed after this debut into softer more "spacey" sound that has less shoegaze styling.


They did start to develop a mellower/blissed-out/spacey side, but that didn't really catch on until their third album, "Playing with Fire" (1989).
 
Aug 7, 2006 at 12:06 AM Post #30 of 78
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Originally Posted by eyeresist
Lush: "Gala" is recommended, as is "Spooky". Their first LP "Scar" is recommended, but it may be a bit too raw to qualify as "Shoegazer".
Edit: thanks for the link, DA. Very useful!



OMG........you had me stumped there for a minute with Scar album, actually it was closer to an EP and all songs on Scar ended up on debut album Gala (never heard of Scar album before this)

I unfortunately missed buying the Lush collection of B Sides called Topolino which sells for small fortune on used market now
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