Natural crossfeed on headphones / earphones for foobar2000 v2.1 [major update made public]
Dec 10, 2021 at 4:22 PM Post #76 of 83
Im using the latest version of Foobar, Windows 10 and I cant select the left and right Wav files anymore :frowning2:

I can select the files, but, no effect after that

The same happens when using Windows 11

Any help ?
 

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Dec 11, 2021 at 7:30 AM Post #77 of 83
Im using the latest version of Foobar, Windows 10 and I cant select the left and right Wav files anymore :frowning2:

I can select the files, but, no effect after that

The same happens when using Windows 11

Any help ?
Is it that the files won't appear on the text box after you select them?

I can think of a few ways around it

Most simple one may be to use an older version of foobar 🙃

But there's a matrix mixer plugin I've been using to do HRTF processing of stereo and even multichannel recordings that should be compatible with the newest: https://skipyrich.com/wiki/Foobar2000:Matrix_Mixer

You just use the plain per-channel convolver between two copies of this.

Let me know if you need the details on that.
 
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Dec 11, 2021 at 3:52 PM Post #78 of 83
Is it that the files won't appear on the text box after you select them?

I can think of a few ways around it

Most simple one may be to use an older version of foobar 🙃

But there's a matrix mixer plugin I've been using to do HRTF processing of stereo and even multichannel recordings that should be compatible with the newest: https://skipyrich.com/wiki/Foobar2000:Matrix_Mixer

You just use the plain per-channel convolver between two copies of this.

Let me know if you need the details on that.
Found the problem

The wav files was stored in a other driver (not C:)
For the first time, I decided to read the readme and following the instructions, moved the wav files to the Foobar installation folder, and voila !
That was the first time that I had that issue

Sorry
And thanks for your time :)
 
Nov 8, 2022 at 5:09 PM Post #79 of 83
Hi Joe,
First of all - great tool, thank you very much for coding it all and making it available to us for free!
The effect if very real and quite convincing. However, I have a major complaint: the plugin sounds as if it's high-passed. All the bass is gone, and some of the mid-bass, too, it seems.
P. S. Fiddling with the equalizer quickly reveals that the deep bass is not gone, but guitars and voices sound thin, odd. Can't quite nail which part of the frequency spectrum is responsible for it.
P. P. S. It's a reduction of the output in the 750-6600 Hz region. I'm trying to find EQ settings to negate it.

This is with the 30 deg. measured filter; the 50 degree one sounds closer to the original - I'll stick to that, although I do like the more realistic "space" of the 30 degree version.
 
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Nov 13, 2022 at 8:43 PM Post #80 of 83
Hi Joe,
First of all - great tool, thank you very much for coding it all and making it available to us for free!
The effect if very real and quite convincing. However, I have a major complaint: the plugin sounds as if it's high-passed. All the bass is gone, and some of the mid-bass, too, it seems.
P. S. Fiddling with the equalizer quickly reveals that the deep bass is not gone, but guitars and voices sound thin, odd. Can't quite nail which part of the frequency spectrum is responsible for it.
P. P. S. It's a reduction of the output in the 750-6600 Hz region. I'm trying to find EQ settings to negate it.

This is with the 30 deg. measured filter; the 50 degree one sounds closer to the original - I'll stick to that, although I do like the more realistic "space" of the 30 degree version.
Unfortunately this would seem to be a psychoacoustic phenomenon, as I did objectively balance the filter against the unfiltered result with an eclectic sample of real music (measuring the output of a draft set of filters against the original and applying corrective filters to them to obtain the final version).
I for example do not feel anything near the level of bass suckout you feel (though the opinion in general is that the processed version does sound a bit lighter)
 
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Nov 14, 2022 at 7:25 AM Post #81 of 83
The bass is actually untouched, that was the immediate first impression but it was wrong. Try playing pink noise or white noise with and without your convolution, watching a spectrum analyzer in your player (it's easy to see in Foobar, for example). You will see the drop in the 750 to 6000 Hz region that I've mentioned, and it makes voices and instruments sound thin. Or at least it contributes to that - I suspect that some of the effect is psychoacoustical due to spatial processing and not a direct change in the spectrum coming out of the headphones, but there is a change and I bet it makes the effect worse.

I wasn't able to find the right EQ parameters to properly tune the response back, unfortunately.
 
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Nov 14, 2022 at 9:50 PM Post #82 of 83
The bass is actually untouched, that was the immediate first impression but it was wrong. Try playing pink noise or white noise with and without your convolution, watching a spectrum analyzer in your player (it's easy to see in Foobar, for example). You will see the drop in the 750 to 6000 Hz region that I've mentioned, and it makes voices and instruments sound thin. Or at least it contributes to that - I suspect that some of the effect is psychoacoustical due to spatial processing and not a direct change in the spectrum coming out of the headphones, but there is a change and I bet it makes the effect worse.

I wasn't able to find the right EQ parameters to properly tune the response back, unfortunately.
Are you using the files from v2.1? Doing exactly what you say I can see some dip from 750-6000Hz (which would be upper midrange to low treble, not lower midrange), but only when the two output channels are summed. There's no such dip in the individual left and right output channels, and these do not sum together on headphones.
In any case you may be interested in the new, spatially reassignable version I've been working on: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/beh...dio-batstation-year-2022.963519/post-17085311
 
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Dec 6, 2022 at 5:18 PM Post #83 of 83
This is great. I am quite impressed. Thanks for sharing this.

The sound feels more natural. :ballot_box_with_check:
Improved instrument positioning.:ballot_box_with_check:
Improved soundstage.:ballot_box_with_check:

The only problem is that the stage feels like one big room. It's like listening to music inside a giant box. There are echoes in the sound. Therefore, the walls of the room are prominent.

Even though the soundstage was bigger, its limits became clearer.

My English is bad. I hope I wrote what I thought correctly.

Edit: With this plugin, my ear gets less tired. It took away the feeling that the sound was coming from the bottom of my ear.
 
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