[tw0k1ngs]

Just support your GD local record shop and buy a CD. End of story.

 

[zip22]

end of story? how do you play cds on an mp3 player?



there is most certainly more to the story. you need to rip your cd to some format to transfer it to a player. this thread is discussing the myths and facts about one of those formats.

 

[tw0k1ngs]

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Originally Posted by zip22 /img/forum/go_quote.gif end of story? how do you play cds on an mp3 player? there is most certainly more to the story. you need to rip your cd to some format to transfer it to a player. this thread is discussing the myths and facts about one of those formats.

And these stories are about lossy formats that are only used if you want to compress and mass produce your files.

 

[zip22]

no. the original topic is AAC. its a lossy format you can use on ipods, zunes, sony players, and a number of mobile phones. someone brought up fairplay drm, but that is not the original topic. maybe you should read up on what aac is (by clicking on the link in the first post)? it is not just the format used by the itunes music store.

 

[oicdn]

But see, most people associate AAC with iTunes, whether it's thier format or not. Just like you associate Indians with America...not India, lol.

It's all about delivery, not who makes it is the point. I think alot of people are missing that point.

So, the whole drm issue is really what's underlying here. People want a DAP that can play DRM AAC files, making iTunes no longer "apple only". Nobody cares what DAPs can already play AAC, cause the only people that really use AAC are Apple/iTunes, who's AAC is DRM'd...so, somebody needs to release a player that can ALSO accept DRM AACs, just like how there are players out there that can play DRM WMA.

 

[zip22]

then you aren't talking about AAC, you're talking about fairplay. apple has not (and probably will not) license fairplay, so other companies can't really get in on that.

many many people use AAC (without fairplay), if only because itunes sets it as the default import option (it is newer than mp3). now that apple is going to be selling AAC files on the itunes store without fairplay, it is an even bigger issue, since other companies can get in on the action.

 

[LawnGnome]

Very very biased look.

 

[oicdn]

^ lol, what is it with you and biased looks?

 

[pueywei]

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Originally Posted by blessingx /img/forum/go_quote.gif MP3/Ogg comparisons always mentions battery hits with Ogg unlike MP3/AAC comparisons.

Vorbis really requires floating point calculations, while MP3 and AAC are designed to be decoded on integer hardware. Most players designed for mp3 simply won't have the punch required to decode vorbis.

And yes, more intensive compression usually means greater computational requirements, and that leads to higher power consumption.

 

[LawnGnome]

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Originally Posted by oicdn /img/forum/go_quote.gif ^ lol, what is it with you and biased looks?

If someone wants to create an article that is this biased, the least they could do is not have it be so damn transparent.

 

[[zero]]

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Originally Posted by LawnGnome /img/forum/go_quote.gif If someone wants to create an article that is this biased, the least they could do is not have it be so damn transparent.

How is it biased? Unless you're talking about how it doesn't ooze "OMGz AAC sucks because it workz only on Itunes and Ipod!!!" like every other thing I've seen about AAC.

 

[thebob]

Ok here is the deal as far as I can see it. mP3, AAC and WMA are all formats owned by different consortia.

If you 'buy' music in any of these formats (until the DRM free, more expensive iTunes songs came along) it is DRM'd.

Once you have bought this music, the DRM stops you from freely playing it on players that are not authorised to your account.

I think so far they are all the same.

Now if you buy a 'Plays for sure' DRM file from a WMA partner, leagally you cannot change the format of this file to play it on another kind of player.

If you buy 'FairPlay' DRM file from iTunes, you are allowed to burn it to a CD as a .aiff file (regular CD format)

If you decide to rip a CD to WMA (using WMP) it is, by default DRM'd so the same rules apply as the purchased files.

If you decide to rip a CD to iTunes you end up with a non DRM'd file that you can use anywhere.

Sorry to threadjack but until these things are made clear then most of the discussion on the article makes little sense.

 

[ILikeMusic]

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If you 'buy' music in any of these formats (until the DRM free, more expensive iTunes songs came along) it is DRM'd.

Not MP3. The MP3 format doesn't support DRM.

 

[zip22]

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f you 'buy' music in any of these formats (until the DRM free, more expensive iTunes songs came along) it is DRM'd.

actually, that entire statement is false.

AAC, WMA, and MP3 alone do not have DRM. there weren't many (any?) services allowing you to purchase them without the DRM, but the formats themselves are not DRMed. apple adds Fairplay DRM to aac and windows uses Playsforsure DRM with WMA. if you buy music with Fairplay or Playsforsure, then you bought DRMed music.

ripping a CD into WMA does not add Playsforsure DRM to your file.

you can burn some Playsforsure files to a CD (depends on how tight the vendor locks it down).

technically, i am not sure that burning Fairplay tracks to re-import them is 100% legal, but i think it has even been suggested by steve jobs himself.

 

[penger]

For one thing that was an interesting read. I agree that some parts of it may seem muddled, but then again it still points out many valid points. In the end, it seems that record companies just need some sort of format that allows them to control their own content.