My Little Dot MKIV SE is permanently hungry, it's been eating my tubes.
Mar 2, 2010 at 5:30 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 42

Neeley

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I know people love Little Dot but I'm afraid I don't. Quite frankly the build quality and reliability is shoddy at best.

So I bought a MKIV SE a little over a year ago, new from LD. The first thing I noticed was a couple of the gold plated bolts that secure the tube rings down had been tightened so much, that the chassis threads were striped and the hex bolts had been rounded off. This ****ed me off but I couldn't go through the saga of sending it back so I let it go.

Driving my HD580's I wasn't all that impressed with the SQ too, even after a 100 or so hours of burn in. It sounded uninspiring and lightweight. Couldn't see what all the fuss was all about.

A couple of months in one of the channels started to get quieter, soon after that crackling. Great! Faulty power tube. Done all the usual tests, swapping channels etc, it was a faulty tube. Contacted LD, they promptly sent me another 6HP30-PI tube for the cost of the shipping. (Good service).

The new tube didn't seem to match the gain of the other one, it was still quieter in one channel. Ok so I left it a couple of weeks hoping it would break in and balance out, It didn't. At this point I decided to swap tubes around to make sure the new one was faulty, the problem stayed in the same channel. Totally pissed off at this I thought **** it, I'll buy some expensive 6H30-DR's and replacement NOS Mullard tubes, hoping that somehow that would cure the problem. Well it didn't, should have known really.

A friend who is extremely talented and knowledgeable in repairing and restoring vintage equipment took a look for me. Part of the circuit board had been burning which in turn had caused some components to fail. He said part of the problem was because of bad design with some of the components being too lower value. Because of this, the power tubes are being pushed to their limits and the casing isn't adequately dissipating heat. The circuit board isn't serviceable because the copper doesn't lay on top, instead it's encased within the board itself. Some of the components he had to change were really difficult to solder. He warned me that I would always have problems with it.

Well that was all done roughly 6 months ago, the amp is still working however, the last couple of weeks it's been distorting badly when listening at moderate volumes. Gradually it's getting worse so it's now sitting doing nothing, looking almost pretty apart from the tops of the chewed up gold plated bolts.

Up until now, I've never used it before but the crummy sound chip on my motherboard sounds pretty good, tonally it's nicer than the LD ever was and there's more weight. Sure it's not refined in any way but it's one hell of a lot more pleasing to listen to.

Where to go from here, I've no idea. The LD is going in the bin.

Thanks for reading.
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Mar 2, 2010 at 5:39 PM Post #2 of 42
sorry to hear your mishap with the amp. have you thought about going with another amp manufacturer? i had a darkvoice 337 and it worked great (although i've heard others had reliability issues.) there's also the possibility of going SS, and the gilmore lite would be a great recommendation if you don't want to go with a DIY build
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 5:40 PM Post #3 of 42
Was interested in the same amp 12 months ago but got a Woo6se instead
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Sorry about the trouble you are having but it might still be under warrenty.
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 6:19 PM Post #4 of 42
Sorry to hear about your problems. My Little Dot MKIII served me reliably for 15 months and I too upgraded to a Woo WA6SE. Supposedly the power tubes have a shorter lifespan with low impedence headphones, like the ones I use, but they haven't failed yet.

Good luck with your next amp.
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 6:24 PM Post #5 of 42
Why on earth would you have not sent it back while its under warranty? Why would you wait over a year before complaining about it.

Anyway, sorry for your bad experience. Next time just send something back if you are unhappy.
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 6:26 PM Post #6 of 42
you should definitely send your amp back to LD. i believe it is still under warranty, so let them fix everything for you. highlight all your problems and with luck, you may even get a brand new unit.
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 6:44 PM Post #7 of 42
Thanks guys. In retrospect I know I should have sent it back long ago. I figured the LD's were hyped up junk and thought sending it back to China would be more hassle than it was worth.

You've encouraged me to have them look at it. No idea if it's still under warranty though, to have it back in tip top condition would be fantastic.
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 9:40 PM Post #8 of 42
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I figured the LD's were hyped up junk and thought sending it back to China would be more hassle than it was worth. You've encouraged me to have them look at it. No idea if it's still under warranty though, to have it back in tip top condition would be fantastic.


It is heavily recommended to send it back to them. The best you could do now is to get it changed for a new one and sell it later on for something better. I'm also sorry for you, but there is enough people with similar problems, take it as a warning. Don't buy Chinese junk! You better wait and save your money for quality products.
 
Mar 2, 2010 at 10:48 PM Post #9 of 42
How can you send it back when you have had a mate in there with a soldering iron.
If you had addressed these issues properly with LD in the first place you would not have these problems,that is what warranties are for.
You are slinging a fair bit of crap around but you did nothing about resolving the issue with the manufacturer when the problem started.
 
Mar 3, 2010 at 1:52 AM Post #11 of 42
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It is heavily recommended to send it back to them. The best you could do now is to get it changed for a new one and sell it later on for something better. I'm also sorry for you, but there is enough people with similar problems, take it as a warning. Don't buy Chinese junk! You better wait and save your money for quality products.


hmm.. not saying chinese products are great... but junk? have you looked at probably 90% of your stuff? components or otherwise were made in china. so... uh.. dont buy chinese junk! i guess..
 
Mar 3, 2010 at 2:59 AM Post #12 of 42
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Thanks guys. In retrospect I know I should have sent it back long ago. I figured the LD's were hyped up junk and thought sending it back to China would be more hassle than it was worth.


as mentioned by others, it should have been brought to David's attn on day 1. I had an LD IV SE about a year ago - it developed an issue and I mentioned to David. At that point, he had a local tech that worked on some models. so it was just local shipment. not sure if that still is the case. Doesn't the SE have longer warranty than the regular IV?
 
Mar 3, 2010 at 3:48 AM Post #13 of 42
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as mentioned by others, it should have been brought to David's attn on day 1. I had an LD IV SE about a year ago - it developed an issue and I mentioned to David. At that point, he had a local tech that worked on some models. so it was just local shipment. not sure if that still is the case. Doesn't the SE have longer warranty than the regular IV?


Yes the SE has a two year warranty.... I think the fact that it has been repaired by a "friend" might negate the warranty tho.
 
Mar 3, 2010 at 9:16 AM Post #14 of 42
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hmm.. not saying chinese products are great... but junk? have you looked at probably 90% of your stuff? components or otherwise were made in china. so... uh.. dont buy chinese junk! i guess..


For your information, I know my equipment very well, and most of it comes from Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Europe, USA and some other Asian countries. All of the stuff is manufactured under the control and guidance of well-known trademarks. No chance for Chinese junk!
 
Mar 3, 2010 at 9:44 AM Post #15 of 42
My friend is a qualified electronics service engineer who also specialises in vintage audio and television, not just a mate poking and hoping. That's why I had him look at it first. At the time, frustration, impatience got the better of me, it seemed daft to send it all the way back to China.

Logically you're all correct though, I should have used the warranty for repair. It's just in the past I've bought electronics gear from China and had no back up support whatsoever, stupidly I took it for granted that LD would be the same.

I'll contact them for advise and post the outcome here.

Thanks.
 

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