Musical Paradise M2-D2 AK4490 Balanced Dac Reviews?

Sep 6, 2020 at 1:59 AM Post #586 of 979
Thanks for sharing, never heard of either of those two manufacturers! I will investigate.

Re the 4499, Gary told me those won't sound better than the Sabre chips, just different?

I therefore wasn't planning on trying them?

Because I managed to fry my first M2-D2 I'm using another which is a month old, so at least I know them firmware is the most recent!
 
Sep 6, 2020 at 6:42 AM Post #587 of 979
Thanks for sharing, never heard of either of those two manufacturers! I will investigate.

Re the 4499, Gary told me those won't sound better than the Sabre chips, just different?

I therefore wasn't planning on trying them?

Because I managed to fry my first M2-D2 I'm using another which is a month old, so at least I know them firmware is the most recent!

Yeah Garry is more fan of the Sabre then the ak I think. But I think Sabre still to much in everything. But it's a taste thing. I prefer 4497 or wanna try the 4499 for sure.

I was busy today with drilling the holes for the 6sn7 in my top cover. I have small supplies here but manage to get a step drill bit for aluminum to a max of 35mm. I think it's marvelous. And very pleased with the result. How do I put the photos here directly? Well here is the link:
https://ibb.co/098Brd1
https://ibb.co/GvL5bnG

The 6sn7 Nanking are Chinese and only this year's (58) is common as very very good because of the components the used. Newer version has changed components sadly..

Linlai is awesome look it up if you like. But new brand(it's I thought it was the vice president of psvane who is going to start his/her own business)
 
Sep 6, 2020 at 2:58 PM Post #588 of 979
Yeah Garry is more fan of the Sabre then the ak I think. But I think Sabre still to much in everything. But it's a taste thing. I prefer 4497 or wanna try the 4499 for sure.

I was busy today with drilling the holes for the 6sn7 in my top cover. I have small supplies here but manage to get a step drill bit for aluminum to a max of 35mm. I think it's marvelous. And very pleased with the result. How do I put the photos here directly? Well here is the link:
https://ibb.co/098Brd1
https://ibb.co/GvL5bnG

The 6sn7 Nanking are Chinese and only this year's (58) is common as very very good because of the components the used. Newer version has changed components sadly..

Linlai is awesome look it up if you like. But new brand(it's I thought it was the vice president of psvane who is going to start his/her own business)

Can you post where I can buy these 58 nagkings??
 
Sep 7, 2020 at 9:23 AM Post #589 of 979
Can you post where I can buy these 58 nagkings??

I bought them here in china man, don't know somewhere else. They are extremely rare that is what I know. That's why I bought 4 of then because it's already hard to find it here.. Luckily vendor had 2x2 matched pair brand new ones. Normally it's around 26 usd per piece, but now it was 36 so stock is slinking.. Still a bargain, there really that good! I just find another topic (search for nanjing 6h8c) who also saying the Nanjing(Nanking says box but it's Nanjing for Chinese) 6h8c is best 6sn7 they heard compare to also the famous Sylvania vt231 etc..
The whole thing opens up..
 
Sep 13, 2020 at 4:32 AM Post #590 of 979
I eventually received my 6922/ 6SN7 adapters and so I was able to install a quad of Sylvania GTA NOS in my MP-D2 dac.

They replaced a quad of eh 6h30 gold pin.

Well all I can say is massive disappointment. It was like putting beach towels over my speakers. An immediate loss of sparkle and top end resolution.

I tried running the unit on for 12 hours and no improvement. The 6H30 PI is back in and sounding wonderful. The air and detail is really something.

Some friends on a local hifi forum suggest that the dac circuit board isn't designed for 6SN7 and that furthermore a socket adapter is going to kill the sound. They might be right??
 
Sep 13, 2020 at 1:18 PM Post #591 of 979
I eventually received my 6922/ 6SN7 adapters and so I was able to install a quad of Sylvania GTA NOS in my MP-D2 dac.

They replaced a quad of eh 6h30 gold pin.

Well all I can say is massive disappointment. It was like putting beach towels over my speakers. An immediate loss of sparkle and top end resolution.

I tried running the unit on for 12 hours and no improvement. The 6H30 PI is back in and sounding wonderful. The air and detail is really something.

Some friends on a local hifi forum suggest that the dac circuit board isn't designed for 6SN7 and that furthermore a socket adapter is going to kill the sound. They might be right??

Well that is kinda disappointing. I had similar experience with my woo audio wa6 headphone amp. I tried the 6SN7 with appropriate converter. The sound lost all the dynamics and resolution and overall felt lifeless. I gave it two month but no significant improvement ... I guess the circuity of the amp was not tuned for the 6SN7. It is one thing to support a particular tube (as in it won't blow up :) ) and totally another to be tuned for a particular set of tubes. For my mp-d2 mk3 I am using Genelax 6922 .... so far so good ...
 
Sep 13, 2020 at 2:09 PM Post #592 of 979
I'm trying the 6H6P tubes next as Lampizator claim they are superior to 6N30.

These are what came with the dac and I never actually tried them
 
Sep 13, 2020 at 4:37 PM Post #593 of 979
Cool! Would be curious to know what you think. I got them as well with my order. I found those tubes with Coax input was a bit noisy . I swapped them out and 12au7 with coax input and it was quiet . Since then I have moved to USB input (little windows box) with the Genelax 6922. That combination is very very good overall so far. I am burning in some Mundorf SGO currently will probably try out the 6H6 afterwards....
 
Sep 13, 2020 at 5:02 PM Post #594 of 979
Cool! Would be curious to know what you think. I got them as well with my order. I found those tubes with Coax input was a bit noisy . I swapped them out and 12au7 with coax input and it was quiet . Since then I have moved to USB input (little windows box) with the Genelax 6922. That combination is very very good overall so far. I am burning in some Mundorf SGO currently will probably try out the 6H6 afterwards....

So it turns out the quad I have are russian 6h6p-i. I've run them for a few hours before listening, and I think we have a winner. Same clarity and resolution as the 6N30pi but a smidge less clinical.

Goes to show, don't just dismiss the stock tubes on kit!
 
Sep 14, 2020 at 4:20 AM Post #597 of 979
Loving this thread - new to tubes and learning all the time. I got a couple of Sovtek 6H30Pi, installed them and used them for a good many hours but was really unimpressed. The sound was flat and un-engaging. I was coming from stock tubes - is there any internal setting I need to change to make these tubes work?
 
Sep 14, 2020 at 11:12 AM Post #598 of 979
Loving this thread - new to tubes and learning all the time. I got a couple of Sovtek 6H30Pi, installed them and used them for a good many hours but was really unimpressed. The sound was flat and un-engaging. I was coming from stock tubes - is there any internal setting I need to change to make these tubes work?

Haha funny thing here what's happening. The 6sn7 for me is the best upgrade for this dac. And I have here quite some tubes laying and tested personal on the dac. My rectifier is spot on and linlai elite 274b would never change. So now for the pre tubes, I also tried the stock 6h6; there good, yes, for the money and good quality but just as is.. Good for stock I think.

Before the 6sn7 I use now I used for long time the 12bh7 from Full music and they are typical tube sound; warmish and great emotional full bodied sound I get from these tubes. Some soul into the music. Which I like.

Then I tried the EH 6h30pi gold pin, because everybody (and also Garry) where very excited about these tubes. Well short story short; they aren't, everything is just to much, dynamic allover, it's good if you want that or searching for it but it lacks the emotional feeling and sound. Just hearing everything without soul.. Not my taste. I would say to much audiophile or something like that. It's not good for listening for long time..

Then the 6sn7, I tried vt-231 Jan/rca NOS from around year 60 or something. It was good but not in greatness, audio image was lacking, its just sitting in the speaker and doesn't want to come out..

Then a message came and I definitely got to try the 6sn7 Nanjing 6h8c from the year 1958 and holy crap. Everything is here, stereo image is enormous with a good dynamic without loosing soul and emotion in the music. It's exactly what I want. For sure I needed to cut some holes in the top cover and some converters but yeah works like a charm!

So basically this dac can get you really to your taste but you need to look and search for the right tube and it takes someong time to get. Put some effort in it.. Now I have brand new ones EH 6h30pi gold lying in the box for doing nothing.. Sadly but he atleast I know now. The caps are standard mundorf Supreme and bypass Cornell Dubilier 940c 3000vdc 0,01. I recently upgraded to the mk3 deluxe motherboard and background is even more quite then the previous mk3. Still needs some playing hours to burn in time, but always Garry does a very good job. Hope the 4499 is here soon. Cheers!

Edit: best for budget go for stocks, if you want the typical warmish tube sound, switch the switch from 6v to 12v and use 12bh7. If you want best dynamic and you love punchy sound go for 6h30pi. Otherwise best and you love the old sound from the 6sn7 tubes, consider this and try several brands. I use rca output on low gain like Garry mentioned in his manuals. There is quite some difference in the output gain for the tubes look for manual.
 
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Sep 14, 2020 at 11:34 AM Post #599 of 979
Goes to show the impact of personal preference in hifi and the subjective nature of tube rolling ..... There just too many variables like type of music, type of transport, type of amplifier, type of speakers etc etc ...

At the end if you love the sound you are hearing then the type of the tubes that delivers that sound is really secondary
 
Sep 14, 2020 at 12:08 PM Post #600 of 979
Haha there is big difference and all comes on taste and preferences for sure. That's why it's such a good dac. It's not "as is" and just setup in your set. You can get the full potential out of it. And maybe these preferences of mine and the tubes I tested will help the other to find his preferred sound..
 

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