Audiophiliac
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MQA means you can't prove the file is an original copy or not. That Beethoven track you like it says is 192 could actually be Dua Lipa at 11khz.
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sander99
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You really don't read what people write do you? Again: Neil Young believes (or claims to believe) in high resolution formats (and I don't), and the article was countering him.
And why would you think "I want to think everything was right in the first place all the time"? I said MQA is nonsense and a scam.
Why do you respond to things that you didn't really read?
Anyway, if you can get people together for a class-action I salute you and wish you success! But count me out because I have no stake in the matter one way or the other.
Audiophiliac
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Gregorio:
"Not when pretty much all audiophiles believe in snake oil."
Does that mean they believe snakeoil exists, therefore they should be wary, or do you mean that audiophiles always think snakeoil is better?
"The clocks in cheap consumer gear even in the mid 1990’s were already 10-100 times better than audible thresholds"
You must think a lot of the threads here are talking about snakeoil. Some people buy dac's with better clocks, and hear a difference the gearmakers put them in for, and are now including external clock inputs so that you can get as good of one as you want.
"sample rates beyond 44.1kHz have not been detected in controlled testing despite 20+ years and countless attempts."
I bet the files are bigger exactly as they correspondingly should be. Maybe you're only using a 25 year old cd player to measure.
Don't worry, even the lowest bitrate mp3s at 22khz still play the perfect part.
The link was about MQA being a revolutionary new technology. They were looking forward to it. Funny, I saw bigshot post "It doesn't matter whether it's redbook. I'd love to see someone discern AAC 256 VBR in a test with "HD" audio!" He should make sure everybody here knows he said that, so that we know what he is.
"How do you know that? The combined attacks on MQA have obviously had an effect, otherwise all audiophiles would have demanded it and MQA would have been a success."
Some people are saying they like it better. The combined attacks have not had the right effect yet. Tidal is streaming in MQA right now, and people have and still are paying double for it. This thread was started with a 'we need to get rid of snakeoil that is currently being sold and paid for' focus, I could have presented better in it's title. That's why I'm considering a new 'MQA Class-action Lawsuit' thread.
"Do you honestly believe the directors of MQA read your thread and just decided to declare bankruptcy? This has been coming for many months, long before you even started this thread."
I was doing what has to be done to end MQA. Not my problem that the decision came for them to take the money and run after almost 10 years during these couple of days, although they never should have been able to get off the ground.
"What difference does it make? If I don’t upgrade my gear I won’t hear them and if I do upgrade my gear I/we still won’t hear them! What “better clocks” are you talking about and why do you think they make any audible difference? It’s just snake oil you seem to believe in!"
Do you believe any gear sounds any different than someone playing from their phone speaker? They could all just be snake oil. What if they say it's snake oil if you think anything sounds different, digital is perfect?
"Not when pretty much all audiophiles believe in snake oil."
Does that mean they believe snakeoil exists, therefore they should be wary, or do you mean that audiophiles always think snakeoil is better?
"The clocks in cheap consumer gear even in the mid 1990’s were already 10-100 times better than audible thresholds"
You must think a lot of the threads here are talking about snakeoil. Some people buy dac's with better clocks, and hear a difference the gearmakers put them in for, and are now including external clock inputs so that you can get as good of one as you want.
"sample rates beyond 44.1kHz have not been detected in controlled testing despite 20+ years and countless attempts."
I bet the files are bigger exactly as they correspondingly should be. Maybe you're only using a 25 year old cd player to measure.
Don't worry, even the lowest bitrate mp3s at 22khz still play the perfect part.
The link was about MQA being a revolutionary new technology. They were looking forward to it. Funny, I saw bigshot post "It doesn't matter whether it's redbook. I'd love to see someone discern AAC 256 VBR in a test with "HD" audio!" He should make sure everybody here knows he said that, so that we know what he is.
"How do you know that? The combined attacks on MQA have obviously had an effect, otherwise all audiophiles would have demanded it and MQA would have been a success."
Some people are saying they like it better. The combined attacks have not had the right effect yet. Tidal is streaming in MQA right now, and people have and still are paying double for it. This thread was started with a 'we need to get rid of snakeoil that is currently being sold and paid for' focus, I could have presented better in it's title. That's why I'm considering a new 'MQA Class-action Lawsuit' thread.
"Do you honestly believe the directors of MQA read your thread and just decided to declare bankruptcy? This has been coming for many months, long before you even started this thread."
I was doing what has to be done to end MQA. Not my problem that the decision came for them to take the money and run after almost 10 years during these couple of days, although they never should have been able to get off the ground.
"What difference does it make? If I don’t upgrade my gear I won’t hear them and if I do upgrade my gear I/we still won’t hear them! What “better clocks” are you talking about and why do you think they make any audible difference? It’s just snake oil you seem to believe in!"
Do you believe any gear sounds any different than someone playing from their phone speaker? They could all just be snake oil. What if they say it's snake oil if you think anything sounds different, digital is perfect?
Audiophiliac
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Oh, the article was disagreeing with Neil Young and Steve Jobs about believing in higher bitrates. I just saw the name in the link, skimmed, and saw a bunch of 'people can't hear' stuff. Apologies, Neil Young, you got it.
If you think MQA is a scam, why are you talking to me about 44.1 being perfect, and I shouldn't be posting about what Tidal is still using and charging double for right now. Even if I go to Qobuz instead, which I will next month when it comes to my country, and now that I have already seen YOU say that you think MQA is a scam, why would I not want to still be talking about how Tidal is still presently charging double for a scam, to over 8 million subscribers (probably not all on the scam plan)? What's wrong with telling people about it on any site? Maybe I should go tell rotten tomatoes. People who just got the 'they say it sounds better, didn't want to hear about MQA plan' might hear about it. Or anyone who wants to know if there are people around who would like to rip them off, even if they don't listen to music?
If I tell a church minister about it, he'll probably tell me 'I know there are MQA's, that's the type of stuff people who don't go with Jesus always think the world is".
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Audiophiliac
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MQA was created by someone who thinks digital audio is perfect for his type of reproduction.
Audiophiliac
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8 million subscribers with 24/44.1 showing as proving it's not the original file technology mode right now.
Crappy song, too. I like the 8 playlists following different types, but they throw in some really bad stuff.
Sorry if you don't realize it yet, but playing flac proves it's not the original. That's probably my favorite tweak rich people who didn't care how much they spent on audio would agree with, uncompressed from a thumb drive.
Kind of embarrassing that the current best headphones at 50k, come in a motorized lid marble case with a built in dac that they spent a bit of money on, and requires it's own amp. You get almost the same silk cushion effect with the $300 pair you should have bought. I guess they figure they're Germans, if you want the rest of the world to go for it, give 'em silk cushions. Using the original HD800's now, with eq, no wonder they're a photo and what gets compared to for reviews for a long time pricewise.
It would be great if there was a rich guy who didn't care how much he spent on audio sitting around reading forums, and when some kid asks someone which of 3 cheap cables is best, he orders all 3 and tells him about them. His is exactly the system to try them on too, if you really want to hear the difference. Paul McGowan is kind of a guy like that, but he's busy running PSAudio, because he wanted there to be better gear first. He hired a speaker engineer and wants to help him become the best speaker builder in the world. He's amazing, too. Channel on youtube.
Crappy song, too. I like the 8 playlists following different types, but they throw in some really bad stuff.
Sorry if you don't realize it yet, but playing flac proves it's not the original. That's probably my favorite tweak rich people who didn't care how much they spent on audio would agree with, uncompressed from a thumb drive.
Kind of embarrassing that the current best headphones at 50k, come in a motorized lid marble case with a built in dac that they spent a bit of money on, and requires it's own amp. You get almost the same silk cushion effect with the $300 pair you should have bought. I guess they figure they're Germans, if you want the rest of the world to go for it, give 'em silk cushions. Using the original HD800's now, with eq, no wonder they're a photo and what gets compared to for reviews for a long time pricewise.
It would be great if there was a rich guy who didn't care how much he spent on audio sitting around reading forums, and when some kid asks someone which of 3 cheap cables is best, he orders all 3 and tells him about them. His is exactly the system to try them on too, if you really want to hear the difference. Paul McGowan is kind of a guy like that, but he's busy running PSAudio, because he wanted there to be better gear first. He hired a speaker engineer and wants to help him become the best speaker builder in the world. He's amazing, too. Channel on youtube.
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Are you ill?
peterinvan
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MQA in Administration
My concern is that this may impact my Tidal subscription.
I have years invested in curating my Tidal playlists. They have done a good job of applying my preferences to their suggested listening. I like the UI and flexibility to play Tidal on any of my streaming devices. I "like" at least one new album per week.
The only perceived advantage of the MQA compression is that I can download large "hi-res" playlists to my portable streamers.
But I feel that Tidal is flogging a dead horse.
Let's hope that Tidal can afford to quickly convert their "Masters" to the original hi-res content (like Qobuz). If I were Tidal I would have a production line going already.
Meanwhile I have exported all my playlists to .CSV in case I need to use Soundiz to move to another platform.
My concern is that this may impact my Tidal subscription.
I have years invested in curating my Tidal playlists. They have done a good job of applying my preferences to their suggested listening. I like the UI and flexibility to play Tidal on any of my streaming devices. I "like" at least one new album per week.
The only perceived advantage of the MQA compression is that I can download large "hi-res" playlists to my portable streamers.
But I feel that Tidal is flogging a dead horse.
Let's hope that Tidal can afford to quickly convert their "Masters" to the original hi-res content (like Qobuz). If I were Tidal I would have a production line going already.
Meanwhile I have exported all my playlists to .CSV in case I need to use Soundiz to move to another platform.
Audiophiliac
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It will impact your subscription, you'll no longer have to care about mqa. Tidal should still be around. Converting any 'masters' Tidal may have to the originals won't work, is the point. They aren't proving they even have the original high res files, and if they deleted the originals after converting to MQA, they're not getting the originals back. That would be really stupid to be doing, but who knows, it's mqa.
If your playlists took a lot of work, does your soundiz program let you move them to free Deezer? You could have a free backup there if it worked.
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You are having a dialogue with your own multiple personalities, it’s no wonder you’ve been banned from multiple online forums as every sentence is an unintelligible word salad.
Audiophiliac
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I never said anything like that.
One of us got kicked off Audio Science Research, for trying to shut down people's MQA they thought was supposed to be better, but who knows where there could be many others have been. I am hungry. I can wait. I just ate. He still won't have understood you three.
71 dB
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Audiophiliac's endless nonsensical posts make me want to stay away... ...sorry.
Audiophiliac
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"Audiophiliac's endless nonsensical posts make me want to stay away... ...sorry."
Have you tried touching mqa?
Don't blame me, you're the one who made a message pop up saying I got an email saying you decided to say that, probably to see what I say. Nothing I can do about it. Probably wouldn't tell you anyway.
44.1 can be all you need don't worry. Remember, 96kbps 22khz mp3's are all the perfect part, too.
Have you tried touching mqa?
Don't blame me, you're the one who made a message pop up saying I got an email saying you decided to say that, probably to see what I say. Nothing I can do about it. Probably wouldn't tell you anyway.
44.1 can be all you need don't worry. Remember, 96kbps 22khz mp3's are all the perfect part, too.
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