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This thread was finally the last push for me to cancel my Tidal subscription (I’ve been putting it off for far too long anyway). Thank you @GoldenOne
I don't think you are addressing me, but a short reaction anyway. I'm not bashing you or anyone who makes a solid argument. If someone makes a good case that means I have to think over the arguments and that again means there is a chance to learn.As usual this is degenerating into a MQA bash and hate fest. There is no point in your vitriol. If you don't like it, don't pay for it. Just stop whining about something that has nothing to do with you and doesn't affect you at all.
The title of this thread is a deep dive test of MQA. It’s an objective test and has effectively degenerated into an “MQA bash and hate fest” for good reason, because it performs so poorly, despite marketing claims of the opposite.As usual this is degenerating into a MQA bash and hate fest.
And how do you suggest we “don’t pay for it”? MQA doesn’t just charge a licence fee to the streaming service, it charges a fee to the studio for equipment to encode/record MQA and another fee to the producer/musicians. So one way or another we would be paying for it even if we didn’t subscribe to the streaming service!There is no point in your vitriol. If you don't like it, don't pay for it.
But it does affect us all or it would have affected us all if MQA had succeeded rather than bombed. It’s a bit rich to post a falsehood and if that’s not enough, to then tell people to stop whining about something that does/could affect them!Just stop whining about something that has nothing to do with you and doesn't affect you at all.
What you said is technically hard to argue with but these terms already have an agreed meaning. You comment does not really line up with that.
Bitperfect means that the same bitstream which is sent, is received.
Lossless means for a bitstream which is compressed, when expanded, the output equals the original input.
Something can be lossy and bitperfect. It can be not bitperfect and lossless.
No, no, no. These are different dimensions. Like comparing letters to words. Strings to meaning. I'll give you an example:Lossless means for a bitstream which is compressed, when expanded, the output equals the original input.
Sorry, coming in late to the thread… isn’t there hardware available that doesn’t support MQA and thus no MQA license fee associated? I know that my Topping D30 Pro and Topping D50s don’t support MQA, so I am not paying for it… As far as I know my Amazon Music subscription does not support MQA, so I am not paying there either… Am I missing something? No arguments from me, I am just trying to understand.I don't think you are addressing me, but a short reaction anyway. I'm not bashing you or anyone who makes a solid argument. If someone makes a good case that means I have to think over the arguments and that again means there is a chance to learn.
So, I have 2 devices that I bought for totally different reasons. I bought them for their streaming capabilities and interface, and so I can finally listen to my external 2TB HD filled with flacs again. Both are capable of full MQA bla bla. That means I had to buy 2 times an expensive MQA license which I will never use. I took a subscription to Qobuz because I don't want to pay a third time with Tidal for something I don't like but I do want high res.
That's twice €100 license fee down the drain. Stolen. There is no way around paying for it. It's either pay up or you won't get the hardware that I use for other purposes. So I think I have a reason to disapprove of MQA's fraudulent licensing scheme.
Yes, there are hardware manufacturers that read here too. Just to pick one example... And please do your due diligence... Is the smsl SU9NSorry, coming in late to the thread… isn’t there hardware available that doesn’t support MQA and thus no MQA license fee associated? I know that my Topping D30 Pro and Topping D50s don’t support MQA, so I am not paying for it… As far as I know my Amazon Music subscription does not support MQA, so I am not paying there either… Am I missing something? No arguments from me, I am just trying to understand.
Yes, you’re missing the post (#168) just a couple posts before yours.As far as I know my Amazon Music subscription does not support MQA, so I am not paying there either… Am I missing something?
I should know better than to walk into the middle of a religious war…Yes, there are hardware manufacturers that read here too. Just to pick one example... And please do your due diligence... Is the smsl SU9N
https://soundnews.net/sources/dacs/smsl-su-9n-dac-review-no-mqa-no-problem/
Also, MQA seems restricted to sigma delta dacs. You won't find an r2r ladder dac with MQA. People who prefer 'Ye olde' R2R method often are purists and minimalists who have come to appreciate the 'less is more' and 'KISS' method. Unfortunately the entry point is a bit more costly than what you mentioned.
How was that Bruce Springsteen song again?I should know better than to walk into the middle of a religious war…