Mahler question (newbie)
Jun 5, 2008 at 3:48 PM Post #31 of 36
With regards to Mahler's music being understandable.....I think a lot of it has to do with how much of yourself you are willing to give to the music. I read once that Mahler was a believer that in music we aren't listening to a composer's thoughts, but rather our own thoughts as interpreted by the composer....meaning that in music you really see yourself, not other people, you relate the melody the dynamics, the phrasing to your own life. One story touched me however, more than any other I've ever heard. If you are a Mahler collector and own Benjamin Zander's interpretation of the 9th with the Philharmonia then you probably have heard his lecture CD on the piece. If not I typed up a transcription to share this wonderful story with you......it really makes me think about music, and about life. I hope it does something similar for you.....

A member of my orchestra demonstrated the miracles that can happen when you drop all your limiting assumptions about a child’s interests and understanding, without applying expectations of any kind.

The Boston Philharmonic had scheduled a fall performance of Mahler’s Ninth Symphony and because of the extraordinary difficulty of the music, I decided to send a cassette tape of the piece out to every member of the orchestra, so they could get to know it over the summer. One of our violinists, Anne Hooper, took the tape with her to an island off the coast of Maine, where she was visiting with her family, and played it on her boom-box. Her five-year-old niece, Katrine, stopped to listen for a while, and then asked, “Auntie Anne, what is this music about?” Anne set out to weave a wondrous tale for the little girl, telling her a story about a wild and fearsome dragon and a beautiful princess who is locked up in a castle. For the duration of the ninety-minute symphony, Anne spun her tale of the princess and her handsome prince.

The following day, little Katrine asked to hear the music about the beautiful princess again. So once again Anne put on the tape and let it run its course, only occasionally reminding Katrine of her invented story line. When the piece was playing for the third time at her request, about halfway through, Katrine asked, “Auntie Anne, what is this music really about?” Anne regarded her five-year-old niece with astonishment, and then began to tell her the true story of Mahler -- how sad his life was, how he'd lost eight brothers and sisters from sickness during his own childhood, such that the coffin became a regular piece of furniture in his house. She told Katrine how cruel his alcoholic father had been to him, and how frightened his invalid mother. She told her that Mahler’s little daughter had died at the age of four, that he never really got over that loss, and that he'd been forced to quit his important job at the famous Opera House in Vienna because he was Jewish. "And then, just before he wrote this symphony,” Anne said, “Mahler was told by his doctor that he had a weak heart and only a very short time to live. So now, Mahler was really saying good-bye to everything and looking back over his life. That is why so much of the music is so sad and why at the end of the piece it dies out completely to nothing -- it’s a description of his actual death as he imagined it, his final breath.”

Anne went on to explain that Mahler wasn’t sad all the time. He was a great lover of nature and a powerful swimmer and he loved to walk. He had a magnificent laugh and a huge love of life, and all this is in the music too, as well as his sadness and anger about his illness and the brutality of his father and the vulnerability of his invalid mother. In fact, Mahler thought that he should put everything in life in his symphonies -- so anything that can be imagined can be heard in them, if you listen carefully enough.

The next day, Katrine came running up to her aunt and said, “Auntie Anne, Auntie Anne, can we listen to that music about the man again today?” Well they did, and again the next day, and in fact Katrine’s parents told me that she listened to it nearly one hundred times. The following October, the entire family made the four-hour drive from upstate New York to Boston to hear our performance in Jordan Hall. Katrine sat wide-eyed through the whole piece. Later, she wrote me a thank-you note.



THANK YOU FOR MAHLER NINTH –I LOVED IT ------KATRINE

I carry this note with me everywhere I go. It reminds me how seldom we pay attention to, or even look for, the passionate and the extraordinary in children -- how seldom we give children an A.
 
Jun 6, 2008 at 7:22 AM Post #33 of 36
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Originally Posted by DavidMahler /img/forum/go_quote.gif
With regards to Mahler's music being understandable.....I think a lot of it has to do with how much of yourself you are willing to give to the music. I read once that Mahler was a believer that in music we aren't listening to a composer's thoughts, but rather our own thoughts as interpreted by the composer....meaning that in music you really see yourself, not other people, you relate the melody the dynamics, the phrasing to your own life. One story touched me however, more than any other I've ever heard. If you are a Mahler collector and own Benjamin Zander's interpretation of the 9th with the Philharmonia then you probably have heard his lecture CD on the piece. If not I typed up a transcription to share this wonderful story with you......it really makes me think about music, and about life. I hope it does something similar for you.....

A member of my orchestra demonstrated the miracles that can happen when you drop all your limiting assumptions about a child’s interests and understanding, without applying expectations of any kind.

The Boston Philharmonic had scheduled a fall performance of Mahler’s Ninth Symphony and because of the extraordinary difficulty of the music, I decided to send a cassette tape of the piece out to every member of the orchestra, so they could get to know it over the summer. One of our violinists, Anne Hooper, took the tape with her to an island off the coast of Maine, where she was visiting with her family, and played it on her boom-box. Her five-year-old niece, Katrine, stopped to listen for a while, and then asked, “Auntie Anne, what is this music about?” Anne set out to weave a wondrous tale for the little girl, telling her a story about a wild and fearsome dragon and a beautiful princess who is locked up in a castle. For the duration of the ninety-minute symphony, Anne spun her tale of the princess and her handsome prince.

The following day, little Katrine asked to hear the music about the beautiful princess again. So once again Anne put on the tape and let it run its course, only occasionally reminding Katrine of her invented story line. When the piece was playing for the third time at her request, about halfway through, Katrine asked, “Auntie Anne, what is this music really about?” Anne regarded her five-year-old niece with astonishment, and then began to tell her the true story of Mahler -- how sad his life was, how he'd lost eight brothers and sisters from sickness during his own childhood, such that the coffin became a regular piece of furniture in his house. She told Katrine how cruel his alcoholic father had been to him, and how frightened his invalid mother. She told her that Mahler’s little daughter had died at the age of four, that he never really got over that loss, and that he'd been forced to quit his important job at the famous Opera House in Vienna because he was Jewish. "And then, just before he wrote this symphony,” Anne said, “Mahler was told by his doctor that he had a weak heart and only a very short time to live. So now, Mahler was really saying good-bye to everything and looking back over his life. That is why so much of the music is so sad and why at the end of the piece it dies out completely to nothing -- it’s a description of his actual death as he imagined it, his final breath.”

Anne went on to explain that Mahler wasn’t sad all the time. He was a great lover of nature and a powerful swimmer and he loved to walk. He had a magnificent laugh and a huge love of life, and all this is in the music too, as well as his sadness and anger about his illness and the brutality of his father and the vulnerability of his invalid mother. In fact, Mahler thought that he should put everything in life in his symphonies -- so anything that can be imagined can be heard in them, if you listen carefully enough.

The next day, Katrine came running up to her aunt and said, “Auntie Anne, Auntie Anne, can we listen to that music about the man again today?” Well they did, and again the next day, and in fact Katrine’s parents told me that she listened to it nearly one hundred times. The following October, the entire family made the four-hour drive from upstate New York to Boston to hear our performance in Jordan Hall. Katrine sat wide-eyed through the whole piece. Later, she wrote me a thank-you note.



THANK YOU FOR MAHLER NINTH –I LOVED IT ------KATRINE

I carry this note with me everywhere I go. It reminds me how seldom we pay attention to, or even look for, the passionate and the extraordinary in children -- how seldom we give children an A.



Wow. Powerful! Just powerful! David thank you for sharing this with us!
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Jun 6, 2008 at 3:20 PM Post #34 of 36
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Mahler is pretty easy to understand, IMO, particularly from a modern perspective. His world view is much more in touch with how we see things today than many other composers. Couple that with the fact that he wrote direct, emotional music, and its easy to see why Mahler has had a huge surge in popularity over the last 50 years.

The one thing you need with Mahler is a little bit of patience, because his works are so long. I suggest listening to a bunch of Bruckner, and after that tackling Mahler. Nothing teaches patience like a Bruckner symphony
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Too true! I don't think anyone needs formal music education to appreciate Mahler. What they do need is the ability to listen to music which is not over in 2 minutes, and that does not seem to be something that is in great abundance nowadays.

But Bruckner first? Tyson, you are like to scare the newbie off!
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First off, I like steering people to the 6th first. It's not that long, it has ALL of the things in it that we all like so much about Mahler. It has great beauty, power and passion. And the orchestration is stunning. The ear really likes it. Just get a superbly recorded version. Like Bernstein (DG), Maazel (Sony), Boulez (DG), or my current favorites, Eschenbach (Ondine) and Fischer(Channel).
If you really want a THEORY book, "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Music Theory" is quite good for a one-volume, self-teaching book. I taught college theory classes for a few years, and I wish it were available back then.
If you want a book on Mahler's music, try David Hurwitz's book, Mahler Symphonies. Not too technical, but better than most cd booklets.



I have to agree with this, but I also think the Mahler 2nd is a good entry as well. Despite its length, it has everything that is great about Mahler, as well as being the one symphony you are guaranteed to find people moved to tears by. Great recordings include Leonard Bernstein and the NYPO, Gilbert Kaplan (London SO or Vienna Philharmonic), Ivan Fischer (Budapest Festival Orchestra), and Michael Gielen (SWR SO Baden-Baden & Freiburg).

Another option to buying the individual symphonies would be to get a well priced cycle of great quality such as Bertini's which also includes Das Lied von der Erde. In the long run, that may save some money as it also provides for growth.
 
Jun 6, 2008 at 8:14 PM Post #35 of 36
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Another option to buying the individual symphonies would be to get a well priced cycle of great quality such as Bertini's which also includes Das Lied von der Erde. In the long run, that may save some money as it also provides for growth.



That is what I did. Though I did pay $67 for it, I think it was well worth the price. For 3 months that is all I listened to. Every single symphony over and over. Once I got familiar with the music I began to individually collect various recordings. For me buying a complete box set is a wonderful and cheaper way to get familiar with a work of a composer. Granted, some performances may be weaker compared to other ones, it still allows me to get to know the complete symphonies of a particular composer. Now I think I have 30 different Mahler recordings. But I am really glad I started of with the Bertini set.
 
Jun 6, 2008 at 10:51 PM Post #36 of 36
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Originally Posted by Facade19 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
That is what I did. Though I did pay $67 for it, I think it was well worth the price. For 3 months that is all I listened to. Every single symphony over and over. Once I got familiar with the music I began to individually collect various recordings. For me buying a complete box set is a wonderful and cheaper way to get familiar with a work of a composer. Granted, some performances may be weaker compared to other ones, it still allows me to get to know the complete symphonies of a particular composer. Now I think I have 30 different Mahler recordings. But I am really glad I started of with the Bertini set.


I think that the Bertini set is a great way to get introduced to Mahler. Accessible performances and great sound.
 

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