Logitech Sucks

[ooheadsoo]

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Originally Posted by Daroid I agree, the sats are actually quite decent on their own, but due to a high crossover of about 180 Hz and plastic enclosure with no wool etc. inside they sound outright TERRIBLE with the sub. They are very tight sounding and precise for their size but obviously has little bass on their own. I'll bet that they will be even better in wooled MDF enclosures or similar, they are good for speech especially. The drivers are made by Tangband - http://www.tb-speaker.com and searching around the net, a lot of people actually use their full-range drivers for DIY speaker projects at a low budget. Nothing wrong with the speakers - it's just Logitech has no clue whatsoever what good sound is and they managed to ruin o.k. speaker elements completely with a mismatched sub, too high crossover, bad speaker enclosure and lousy quality (many units have died and still do - they develop much heat since they are very inefficient but low-cost amps). Not even the price is good when you consider that you get far worser sound than what the speakers are capable of. EDIT: Ever wondered why they have no treble extension on the stock Z560/Z680 set ? Look at the charts here for example: http://www.tb-speaker.com/detail/1208_03/w3-594s.asp See the impedance ? Now you know why the crossover is so high - t eliminate the fact that the amp can't drive them properly at the impedance of 50 Ohm... unfortunately for Logitech the impedance escalates at the treble region up to 30 Ohm at 20 kHz. That's not an easy speaker to drive at all.

There's nothing wrong with the impedance. There is nothing remarkable about it. Look up some 3" fostex full range driver impedance plots. The impedance plots look nearly identical though they cost about $30 a pop.

 

[sirnice]

Today I was at Bestbuy just browsing for new tech stuff. I was in the speakers secton and they have the Bose Companion 3 setup for demo (as well as the other major players of course, Logitech Z-5500, Klipsch Pros, Creative I-Trique lines, Altec Lansing and some ther cheap stuff).

So I went around hitting that little red button that activates each speaker so you can do a comparison of each.
I was very surprised that the Bose Companion 3. It sounded the best to me.
The vocal is very clean, excellent highs and the base is tight with a quick impact percussions while other speakers sounded boommy and dull.

It beats out the $399 logitech and Klipsch speaker systems in terms of sound quality). One word I could use to describe the music coming out of the Bose is "Clean". Very simple, tight sound compare to other speakers with their 500+ watts extra large size subwoofers. I was tempted to buy a pair. Maybe will will in a later date.

I know Bose is not very popular around here but I would recommend you go check them out and hear it for yourself.

 

[Mr.Radar]

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Originally Posted by sirnice Today I was at Bestbuy just browsing for new tech stuff. I was in the speakers secton and they have the Bose Companion 3 setup for demo (as well as the other major players of course, Logitech Z-5500, Klipsch Pros, Creative I-Trique lines, Altec Lansing and some ther cheap stuff). So I went around hitting that little red button that activates each speaker so you can do a comparison of each. I was very surprised that the Bose Companion 3. It sounded the best to me. The vocal is very clean, excellent highs and the base is tight with a quick impact percussions while other speakers sounded boommy and dull. It beats out the $399 logitech and Klipsch speaker systems in terms of sound quality). One word I could use to describe the music coming out of the Bose is "Clean". Very simple, tight sound compare to other speakers with their 500+ watts extra large size subwoofers. I was tempted to buy a pair. Maybe will will in a later date. I know Bose is not very popular around here but I would recommend you go check them out and hear it for yourself.

So I'm not crazy! I heard the same thing the other week at a Circuit City. You need to remember though that Bose is notorious for making it hard to compare their speakers fairly, so Bose might've specially selected the test tracks to make their speakers sound the best.

 

[KZEE]

The first thing I did when I got my el cheapo Creative computer speakers was to take them apart and line them with self stick sound damping material (available at car stereo shops), and although the damping material didn't turn the speakers into audiphile speakers, the damping material did make a tremendous improvement in the sound of the speakers and for the little bit I use my computer's sound system I'm very happy with the results.

 

[saturnine]

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Originally Posted by Mr.Radar You need to remember though that Bose is notorious for making it hard to compare their speakers fairly, so Bose might've specially selected the test tracks to make their speakers sound the best.

QFT, they are known to do this..

I've heard most of the "commercially available" computer speakers (BestBuy/Circuit City/CompUSA) and they all sucked with music. Sure, some of them got loud (Klipsch Promedia!

), but none of them sounded quite right with music. I ended up with the Swan's M200, and they are by far the best mutimedia speakers I've heard. They are lacking low bass, but everything else sounds just right

 

[Eagle_Driver]

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Originally Posted by saturnine I've heard most of the "commercially available" computer speakers (BestBuy/Circuit City/CompUSA) and they all sucked with music. Sure, some of them got loud (Klipsch Promedia! ), but none of them sounded quite right with music. I ended up with the Swan's M200, and they are by far the best mutimedia speakers I've heard. They are lacking low bass, but everything else sounds just right

QFT here, too. For that matter, most of the 2.1 setups of any type - even full-sized units designed for home audio use - aren't all that great for music, either. Most commit the common sin of scooping out the region around where the satellites cross over with the so-called "sub".

In fact, the best PC desktop speakers for music at moderate volumes may be a relatively high-end 2-piece (or 2.0) speaker system, such as the Klipsch Ultra 2.0 or the Altec Lansing MX5020. Otherwise, you can do better with a bookshelf speaker system.

 

[ricmat]

too late now..

anyway, i own a pair of Harman Kardon Soundstick II and if with some eq they sound great!

they have such an airy, clear sound! i just love that!

(but yes, IMO they need eq, otherwise theres some mids lack..)

 

[TurboRotaryFreak]

I have the Klipsch iFi. It's discontinued now. But I EQed the sound to lowwer on the high and low side with a raised mid and I am really satisfied. Moreover, I raised the treble a little annd I have nice crisp deliverance and some good low end and I can heaar the mids perfectly.

As you cann see i'm new to Head-Fi so please have mercy.

 

[lordkelmain]

Logitech's Z-680 series wasn't all that bad sounding. Build quality was pretty poor, though.

For budget 2.1, I don't think anything beats the Philips MMS430. I got them on a $20 deal a few years back (they still retail for $60+) and am still amazed at their quality compared to speakers of similar MSRP.

- lk