Jul 25, 2024 at 7:14 PM Post #406 of 525
That would be a strategy... I just don't want to spend a lot of money buying tips like the Sedna light, Divinus Velvet wide bore, etc. when the eight types of tips I've already got work with other IEM's and aren't working with this one.

The trend that started about a year ago for hugely wide nozzles with the Zero's , and now the Pilgrim, 61T, and others, could be working against me. Though I had no issue with the Hype2 or Mega5EST 7th. Those nozzles are significantly smaller than the 61T's. Tese nozzles are so wide that it took my a lot of tries to even get the Final E and CP100/145 onto them. Had to put saliva on the rim and then sort of rotate them on.
It can be exhausting to go through numerous tips to get the right fit. I have extremely small and unevenly sized ear canals (my right canal is slightly bigger than my left) and ears. I often miss out on enjoying IEMs from brands like ThieAudio, whose shells and nozzles are larger than my ear canals and concha, causing discomfort in my antihelix.

The only IEM with a BCD driver that nearly fit my ear was the Verdandi, which allowed me to experience what a BCD driver could do. I bought and quickly sold the Mest MK2 because both the shell and nozzle were too large.

I understand your reason for selling the IEM.

By the way, Sedna light tips have saved me more times than I can count.
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 10:41 PM Post #408 of 525
] Incidentally, it occurs to me that the 61T and Pilgrim are tuned almost oppositely. I found the Pilgrim to lack midbass, and to be too tizzy in the cymbal region. The 61T has plenty of midbass, and has a very sweet upper mid/lower treble region.
 
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Jul 26, 2024 at 6:29 AM Post #409 of 525
Cross posting this to save energy and time:

61T vs DaVinci vs DynaQuattro:

Sub Bass

61T : The sub-bass is robust and provides a solid foundation, with ample energy that doesn’t overshadow the rest of the mix. It offers good extension and dynamics, making it suitable for genres that benefit from a strong low-end presence.

DaVinci: The DaVinci also delivers significant sub-bass, but it tends to have a more pronounced thud rather than a deep rumble. This characteristic can sometimes dominate the overall sound profile, especially in bass-heavy tracks.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro offers an exceptionally deep and textured sub-bass, characterized by a rich, meaty presence. It strikes a balance between providing impactful bass without overwhelming the other frequencies, making it ideal for a variety of genres.

Order of my pick for Sub Bass:

DynaQuattro > 61T > DaVinci

Mid Bass

61T : The mid-bass is impactful and adds weight to kick drums and other percussive elements. However, it can sometimes bleed into the lower mid-range, slightly veiling details.

DaVinci: The mid-bass on the DaVinci is tighter and more controlled, providing a punchy experience without significant smearing. It manages to keep the bass presence strong without overwhelming the mid-range.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro’s mid-bass is well-controlled and delivers excellent slam and impact. Its dynamic drivers ensure that the mid-bass remains tight and detailed, avoiding any unwanted bleed into the lower mid-range.

Order of my pick for Mid Bass:

DynaQuattro > DaVinci > 61T

Lower Mid Range

61T : The lower mid-range benefits from the added warmth of the mid-bass, providing a rich and full-bodied sound. However, the slight bass bleed can affect detail retrieval in this region.

DaVinci: The DaVinci’s lower mid-range is cleaner and more neutral. It avoids the bass bleed issue, resulting in clearer and more detailed mid-range performance.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro offers a flat and natural lower mid-range, ensuring that male vocals and instruments sound realistic and well-defined. The transition from bass to mid-range is smooth, maintaining clarity and detail.

Order of my pick for Lower Mid Range:

DynaQuattro > DaVinci > 61T

Upper Mid Range

61T : The upper mid-range is well-tuned to ensure vocals have enough energy without becoming shouty. This contributes to a pleasant and engaging vocal presentation.

DaVinci: The DaVinci excels in the upper mid-range, offering a beautifully natural and refined sound. Vocals and instruments in this range are rendered with exceptional clarity and realism.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro shines in the upper mid-range, offering a forward and detailed presentation. Vocals and instruments are highlighted without sounding shouty, making it ideal for vocal-centric genres.

Order of my pick for Upper Mid Range:

DaVinci > DynaQuattro > 61T

Lower Treble

61T : The lower treble is energetic but controlled, ensuring that higher-pitched instruments and cymbals have a good presence without becoming overly bright or fatiguing.

Dunu DaVinci: The lower treble on the DaVinci can come across as slightly dry and scratchy, though this can be mitigated with tip rolling. It maintains a good balance but isn’t as smooth as some might prefer.

DynaQuattro : The lower treble on the DynaQuattro is detailed and clear, offering a good balance between energy and smoothness. It avoids harshness and sibilance, providing a pleasant listening experience for higher-pitched instruments and cymbals.

Order of my pick for Lower Treble:

61T > DynaQuattro > DaVinci

Upper Treble

61T : The upper treble extends well, providing air and shimmer to the sound. It reveals fine details and contributes to a sense of openness.

DaVinci: The upper treble is somewhat relaxed but still provides good detail. It avoids harshness, but the overall treble timbre might not be as refined as 61T.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro offers a balanced upper treble which is detailed enough to provide clarity without any hints of sibilance or harshness. It does however sometimes leave you wanting some sparkle and air.

Order of my pick for Upper Treble:

61T > DynaQuattro > DaVinci

Timbre

61T : Timbre is generally natural, though there are slight compromises due to the bass bleed into the mid-range. Instruments and vocals sound realistic, but not as transparent as DaVinci.

DaVinci: The DaVinci offers a more natural and cohesive timbre, with instruments and vocals sounding lifelike. Its balanced armature drivers contribute to a more refined and accurate representation.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro excels in timbre, offering a highly natural and realistic sound. The use of dynamic drivers ensures that instruments and vocals sound authentic and lifelike, making it a standout in this category.

Order of my pick for Timbre:

DynaQuattro > DaVinci > 61T

Staging

61T : The soundstage is wide and provides a good sense of space, making it feel expansive. Instrument placement is mostly accurate, giving a solid sense of where each sound is coming from, though it may not be as immersive as DynaQuattro.

DaVinci: The DaVinci’s soundstage, while slightly more intimate, does well in imaging and separation. It provides a three-dimensional feel, allowing listeners to pinpoint the exact location of instruments and vocals within the sound field. This creates a more immersive listening experience.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro offers a wide and expansive soundstage with excellent depth. It provides a spacious listening experience, with precise imaging and separation that allows for an immersive and engaging sound.

Order of my pick for Staging:

DynaQuattro > 61T > DaVinci

Instrument Separation and Layering

61T : Instrument separation is very good, especially for its price point. The multiple drivers help in achieving clear delineation between different sounds, though the slight bass bleed can occasionally muddy the lower mids.

DaVinci: The DaVinci excels in instrument separation and layering. Each instrument is clearly defined, and the layering provides a sense of depth that enhances the overall listening experience.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro offers exceptional instrument separation and layering, with each sound distinctly placed within the soundstage. The use of four dynamic drivers ensures that complex tracks are handled with ease, providing clarity and depth.

Order of my pick for Separation and Layering:

DynaQuattro > 61T > DaVinci

Detail Retrieval

61T : Detail retrieval is strong, particularly in the treble and upper mid-range. However, the bass bleed into the lower mid-range can obscure some finer details, making it less transparent compared to higher-end models.

DaVinci: The DaVinci offers exceptional clarity in the mid range however falls short in the micro details compared to DynaQuattro and 61T due to the extremely tamed treble.

DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro does really well in detail retrieval, offering a good level of clarity and precision across all frequencies. Its ability to capture micro-details and nuances makes it a top performer across all genres of music despite it not having the best extension like 61T.

Order of my pick for Detail Retrieval:

Subjective : DynaQuattro > 61T > DaVinci
Objective : 61T > DynaQuattro > DaVinci

Conclusion

All three IEMs—Juzear 61T, Dunu DaVinci, and Binary Acoustic DynaQuattro have few similarities but cater to different listening preferences and price points.

Juzear 61T: Priced around $220, it offers a robust and dynamic sound with a U-shaped signature emphasizing sub-bass and treble. While it excels in providing a wide soundstage and good instrument separation, it does have some issues with bass bleed affecting mid-range detail. It’s a strong contender in the sub-$300 category, particularly for those who enjoy a bass-forward sound.

Dunu DaVinci: At $300, the DaVinci delivers a more refined and balanced sound with a lot of focus on Sub-bass. It does well in imaging, instrument separation, and detail retrieval, though its bass dominance can sometimes crowd out the details. The treble timbre might require some tip rolling to optimize, but overall, it offers a decent level of technical performance. This IEM is ideal for those who prioritize a natural and cohesive sound with excellent clarity and realism.

Binary Acoustic DynaQuattro: The DynaQuattro, priced around $260, stands out with its use of four dynamic drivers, offering a rich, meaty bass, natural timbre, and expansive soundstage. It provides excellent detail retrieval and instrument separation, making it suitable for a wide range of music genres. This IEM is perfect for listeners who prefer a balanced yet engaging sound with a forward mid-range and detailed treble.







 
Jul 31, 2024 at 2:13 AM Post #413 of 525
61t continues to impress. It’s currently in rotation with the TRI i3 Mk3 and the ISN H60.

While the 61t is generally more relaxed than the other two it comes very close to them. What it lacks in detail retrieval it makes up for in lush musicality. It’s a definite evolution of the 41t’s analogue seeming tune. The 61t is more precise and wider sounding with bigger bass and crisper treble but it retains that laid-back feel thanks to the elevated lower/mid bass.
 
Aug 1, 2024 at 7:12 AM Post #415 of 525
The Lowend is something. Clean, never shy, separated.
This IEM is doing well for every part of the frequency spectrum.
I felt there was slight mid bass bleed into lower mids.
 
Aug 2, 2024 at 12:14 AM Post #418 of 525
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Starting my morning with this beauty ❤️. Just got the Divinus velvets wide bore as well, will them with 61t and see how it affects sound.
 
Aug 2, 2024 at 5:18 AM Post #420 of 525
What tips did you use? I hate bleeding and I noticed nothing of that sort
To alleviate the occlusion effect, I finally settled on Asla Sedna Light.

But I used

Final Type E
Eletech Baroque
Velvet narrow
Velvet wide
JVC Spiral Dots
Spinfit W1
CP200
CP100+


Which tips are you using on 61t? It looks like they are azla sedna light?
You are right.
 

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