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is this soundstage?

Sep 10, 2004 at 5:11 AM Post #16 of 40
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Originally Posted by cadobhuk
I dont know,sound ok to me..especially considering their age.To me if they recorded all their music in mono,would still sound better than pretty much anything else out there.




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Originally Posted by Zoide
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Zoide and cadohuk, I'm talking technically, I love some of the Beatles songs, OK? Please do not misunderstood me....And the quality of the sound is even very good on some, but the stereo they used at that time, in some recordings, is what I would never reco for soundstage evaluation...this is what I feel that is stupid, to put the instruments in one channel and all the voices in the other is simply nuts.....how can you hear that with headphones, without becoming nuts!!!!!
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Sep 10, 2004 at 5:14 AM Post #17 of 40
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Originally Posted by Zoide
commando: If you wanna hear separation, listen to pretty much any Beatles CD. Back then they used to record things with extreme stereo separation, so that a piano will be completely on your left while the drums will be completely to your right, etc. Very interesting but at times annoying. Thus the use of crossfeed, which lessens the extreme separation.


Er... Are you sure you'll get soundstage from such an old recording? Sure the instruments will be separated left and right but this isn't really what I would call soundstage because the instruments will just feel like they're next to your ears only some on the left and some on the right but not like they're situated in different parts of a nice big room. Maybe I'm wrong but I havent' experienced much 'soundstage' with older recordings.
 
Sep 10, 2004 at 5:59 AM Post #18 of 40
from a pure producers standpoint with stereo productions my soundstage is basically stereo width. i produce dance music so its a bit different from live stuff. but we do like to spread out instruments accross the entire stereo width. subtlety is the name of the game, so rarely will i pan say a snare hard right whilst the rest of the percussion is sitting in the middle with the congas slightly to the left. since i discovered stereo mixing techniques, it's been able to give my production a lot more life. with dance music too, eq'ing on top of stereo seperating can pronounce the soundstage even more so. say put a low lead synth in one frequency band and eq it to be independant of the other elements and move it slightly to one side and you will have something that sounds like its coming from in front of you where as the rest of the track may be coming from behind or from a static position. its really cool being able to experiment and "move" the placement of elements around as the track changes.
 
Sep 10, 2004 at 7:00 AM Post #19 of 40
commando: In my understanding, soundstage describes the size of the portrayed room - whereas locatability would run under the term imaging for me...

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini
 
Sep 10, 2004 at 10:18 AM Post #20 of 40
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Originally Posted by Gundam
One thing that I've heard headphones can't do is to create front to back depth.


LOL. Try this:
http://luukas.daug.fi/binaural.mp3
Not only goes it around you, but also up and down.
 
Sep 10, 2004 at 10:42 AM Post #23 of 40
yeah, the front thing was not completely functional.. I got front left, but when it was going to front right, it just fell to the back again and then to just right.

maybe it's something about missing frequencies in the ear? I've got a tinnitus on my right ear, and i've also noticed that ever since I got the tinnitus, the ear got slightly detuned (about 2% higher pitch than the left or something).
 
Sep 10, 2004 at 10:04 PM Post #24 of 40
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Originally Posted by Kurt
LOL. Try this:
http://luukas.daug.fi/binaural.mp3
Not only goes it around you, but also up and down.



Wow! That really is quite something. Some serious sonic/aural trickery at work there. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

How do they do it? I let my girlfriend have a listen just now, asked her to close her eyes as she put the headphones on...

She was freaked! She said it scared her...

Cadobhuk, how much were your modded CD3K's again? I would hope to get at least some soundstage if I was to spend $500 on a pair of headphones...
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Sep 11, 2004 at 12:17 AM Post #25 of 40
Wow! That really is quite something. Some serious sonic/aural trickery at work there. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

It's actually pretty simple. You put a microphone at the left ear and a microphone at the right ear (either of a "dummy head" or an actual person) and record.

The imaging straight in front of you often doesn't work. I'm not sure if that's because we rely more on our sight to locate things in front of us, or if it's that the difference in head shapes plays more of a factor from this angle.
 
Sep 11, 2004 at 12:25 AM Post #26 of 40
That does sound simple. It's easy when you know how isn't it?

My Masters starts again at the beginning of October and I'll have access to a recording studio (and all that lovely equipment). I'm going to try it out. It'll be fun.
 
Sep 11, 2004 at 4:47 AM Post #27 of 40
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Originally Posted by Gundam
Wow! That really is quite something. Some serious sonic/aural trickery at work there. Made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

How do they do it? I let my girlfriend have a listen just now, asked her to close her eyes as she put the headphones on...

She was freaked! She said it scared her...

Cadobhuk, how much were your modded CD3K's again? I would hope to get at least some soundstage if I was to spend $500 on a pair of headphones...
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Around $400 for cd3ks from Audiocubes,+300 for Bubinga wooden cups and recabling +$50 for deep R10-shaped woodies. $750 total.
EDIT:But you can just find some used cd3ks for less than $400,and use them stock,they have a nice big soundstage as it is.If soundstage is #1 thing you are looking for you might be better off with K1000.
 
Sep 11, 2004 at 12:06 PM Post #28 of 40
Hmm...

Sounds like quite a set-up you have there.

For me, spending that much on headphones will have to wait until graduation....
 
Sep 11, 2004 at 1:27 PM Post #29 of 40
Soundstage has to do with the sense of SPACE a recording and audio system can reproduce. The sense that you can "see" the size, shape, and acoustic qualities of the room in which the sound was made. *Imaging* is the ability to pick out exactly where each performer is standing in the room from left to right.
 
Sep 11, 2004 at 3:03 PM Post #30 of 40
markl: Thanks for paraphrasing me...
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Grinnings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini
 
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