Is Led Zeppelin a Heavy Metal band?
Feb 14, 2007 at 11:28 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 85
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Don't blame me .... just asking ...
Upon a time, but actually it was yesterday,
I came across the following description of Led Zeppelin's music
(taken from the Acoustic Sounds catalog and also from the All Music Guide):

"Led Zeppelin was and is the definite Heavy Metal band.
.... they established the dominant format for heavy metal
as well as the genre's actual sound."

The debate whether Led Zeppelin is a Heavy Metal or just a Hard Rock band rages on!

See you on the definite Heavy Metal band's
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Side of the Moon

P.S.
No Poll included, sorry!
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 12:38 AM Post #3 of 85
No, don't be silly!
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Feb 15, 2007 at 1:05 AM Post #4 of 85
If Black Sabbath is heavy metal, then Led Zeppelin is heavy metal. They're too similar. I've always figured that if the members of Zeppelin got together and said "hey, let's write a whole album of songs like 'Dazed and Confused' and 'Immigrant Song'", they'd wind up making "Master of Reality".
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 1:26 AM Post #6 of 85
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Originally Posted by Pm@c /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Led Zeppelin has its own genre, so dont even try to classify it!


Agreed. But if you needed to really classify, I would not call it heavy metal. They're too blues based for that.
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 1:35 AM Post #8 of 85
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Originally Posted by Turnaround /img/forum/go_quote.gif
why do people always argue this??? r they trying to figure out whether u should file your LZ cds under "heavy metal"
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Agreed.
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 1:47 AM Post #9 of 85
I disagree, I do not think Led Zeppelin are a metal band at all.

Heavy Metal first came about with Black Sabbath's S/T album.

Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath share their similarities, but Led Zeppelin do not have a heavy atmosphere to their music that Black Sabbath has, which is present in all metal.

I am not going to bother with the "Led Zep have rock riffs and rock drumming" arguement, because there is something more important regarding the matter.

A good summary of what metal is might look something like this:
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A focus on the guitar-riff as the main element around which a song is written, combined with a sound/production that is 'heavy' (with sub-genres differing on how 'heavy' is interpreted) and an attidude in lyrics, vocals, imagery and song-structures that has been come to known as 'metal attitude', an attitude which is basically about rebellion against the status quo or elements of society


There is also a particular style of metal drumming, but generally the focus remains on the guitar.

(The guitar riff focus has ultimately changed in some genres, progressive and avantgarde metal taking it to a more free-form style, Drone Metal discarding riffs all together, Funeral Doom Metal based around Keyboard melodies, etc etc)


Black Sabbath down tuned to C (the lowest tuning of the time), they sang about dark topics, they were unconventional, their music had a rich atmosphere, and thus the birth of metal.

Led Zeppelin, IMO, have none of these characteristics.

Explaining the metal 'Rebellion' and it's difference to the Punk 'Rebellion'

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Originally Posted by mornox
I think a certain degree of 'rebelliousness' is by necessity implicit in every metal-act, by virtue of the types of people involved in making it. There's just a certain mindset at work in metal that is at odds with the general societal mindset and that mindset shines through so clearly in a metal song that any metal fan will instantly recognise it as 'true metal', regardless of the specific form the metal takes (power metal or black metal; a world of difference, but both metal). I chose to call that rebelliousness, someone else may call it 'evil', or 'darkness' or whatever, but there is most certainly a shared 'metal' mentality that is instantly recognisable by any metal-listener.

Hmm. Well, for one thing, real punks are usually quite openly politically rebellious (usually in a leftist way, but RAC and the like show that this isn't a hard and fast rule). Metal seems to be less about politics or changing the system from within, as it is about just discarding politics, or even the rules as such; the general metal-head is an outsider, while the punk is more of an activist.

Then again, the infusion of punk/hardcore characteristics during the birth of thrash, death and black metal undoubtedly brought along a change in this attitude as well, so you could say that the metal attitude in the later era's has shifted more from an outsider culture into a somewhat activist one;however, more often than not, extreme metal views on 'rebelling against society', even when they propose sound alternatives to this society, tend to remain highly idealistic and fantastical; no one, not even the musicians themselves, honestly believe in a return to the pagan past, or the dawn of the new satanic era, or the coming age of chaos and death or whatever.

So, punks seem more pragmatic, while metal-fans seem more idealistic. I also think that's why metal has such a greater amount of staying power than punk, since it can't be as easily subverted by the system, since it wants nothing to do with the system (opposed to punk which is all about spreading the message through the system, opening itself up to exploitation), while it also doesn't lose fans to cynicism as much, since cynicism is already at the heart of rejecting society; the general metal-fan, in my experience, doesn't directly need to change society, just rejecting its principles and superficially interacting with it when you need to, while keeping your own counsel and ideals already works well enough.
Punks rebel externally, metallers rebel internally (while there's the image thing, this image is allowed in the democracies in which metal thrives, so this isn't an active political rebellion, but an internal rebellion about mores and having the appropriate image)



Taken from a discussion thread on the Metal-Archives forum.

Metal gives the freedom to go "**** you, I'll say what I believe!"
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 2:13 AM Post #11 of 85
I meant in an metaphorical sense.

RATM has more of a punk attitude, and lacks darkness or depth altogether.
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 2:40 AM Post #13 of 85
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Originally Posted by Head Creep /img/forum/go_quote.gif
If Black Sabbath is heavy metal, then Led Zeppelin is heavy metal. They're too similar. I've always figured that if the members of Zeppelin got together and said "hey, let's write a whole album of songs like 'Dazed and Confused' and 'Immigrant Song'", they'd wind up making "Master of Reality".


My two all-time favorites. You can call them whatever you want, just like everyone else. I don't care to think about music by genre, rather by artist.

They're both Rock. That's about all the classification that's needed for me.
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 3:29 AM Post #14 of 85
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Originally Posted by Enverxis /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I disagree, I do not think Led Zeppelin are a metal band at all.

Heavy Metal first came about with Black Sabbath's S/T album.




The phrase "Heavy Metal" didn't even exist when that album came out. I think the first time I heard the phrase used was in 1976, not saying it didn't exist before then in some circles though but I was pretty up on the music scene back then and don't remember hearing it prior to about '75 or '76. To me both Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are just good rock bands with differing styles. People get too caught up in this genre defining thing. Look at how many sub genres they have for electronic music, it's ridiculous and clicky. To me there are only two genres of music, good and bad, and even that is very debatable.
 
Feb 15, 2007 at 5:02 AM Post #15 of 85
They Rock. What more do you want?
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I'm listening to "Over the Hills and Far Away" right now, and when it "Kicks in" from a vinyl rip to the Melos, OH MAN. That's the stuff! Actually I really like Led Zep's use of acoustic guitar all throughout their stuff - it's not just a nod to their blues roots, but something that helps keep their stuff so fresh in my mind - acoustic never goes out of style, even after the whole "unplugged" craze in the 90's!
 

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