[mirumu]

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Originally Posted by Blaine /img/forum/go_quote.gif Not for the first time on these forums, you are talking total rubbish.

All I've done is ask for proof, if that's "talking total rubbish" then I guess I can't change your opinion. Lets look at that article, I'll remove all the text that's just speculation and padding out the text for you...

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Originally Posted by Blaine /img/forum/go_quote.gif This week photographs have been posted of a disassembled iPod Classic, revealing it has no Wolfson audio chip, using chips from American rival Cirrus Logic.

This is incorrect. The photos do not show a Cirrus Logic part. I've looked at them. Show me a photo of a Classic motherboard with a visible Cirrus Logic DAC and I'll happily agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Blaine /img/forum/go_quote.gif A spokesman for Wolfson said the firm was unable to comment on the actions of Apple. However, it is understood it has no plans to downgrade its sales expectations, expected to be a record $63-$68 million (£31m-£33.4m). Wolfson's shares have more than halved in value since a year ago, after a worldwide slowdown in the sale of consumer products."

Read that first sentence. Wolfson made no comment. Since there does not appear to be any photographic evidence and Wolfson has said nothing then who has confirmed the new DAC? Apple? Cirrus Logic? Why then has there not been a single news article quoting this?

Insult me all you want but if you show the slightest bit of proof then I'll agree. I couldn't care less who makes the DAC but the assumptions currently being thrown around have zero foundation.

 

[IPodPJ]

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Originally Posted by mirumu /img/forum/go_quote.gif It's rumored that Apple went back to Synaptics touch pads for the Classic. The 5G/5.5G model pads were supposedly made directly by Apple. This is based on news articles though just like the DAC info so it could all very well be wrong.

Well, that would confirm my experience then. I love when people say "How do you know it's different?" And then I would usually respond with something like, "Because I'm not a moron, and I can see the difference on the screen."

I just listened to my buddy's Zen Vision W, and while it had better sound than the 5g, it did not beat out the Classic.

I was also quite impressed listening to his iBassso T2. For the size, it's an incredible little amp with lots of features. It does not beat my Go-Vibe V7 Max, but its only 1/4 the size.

And the two of you, stop arguing please. Whatever change Apple made, it was obviously for the best. The Classic sounds much better than the 5g did.

 

[IPodPJ]

Anything new?

 

[TomRemixed]

It certainly stomps all over everything cept the Zune 80.

 

[saronian]

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Originally Posted by IPodPJ /img/forum/go_quote.gif 6) ...Cover flow only has a white background, when obviously it looks better in iTunes with the black background. Also, if you have some non-square shaped album art, cover flow on the iPod will turn it into a square anyway by zooming in on one section of it. An example of this is my Steely Dan box set. It is a rectangle, which in iTunes it displays perfectly on cover flow. But on the iPod it does not. 7) If you back out of your "Now Playing" screen to do anything, you really need to go back to the words "Now Playing" from the main menu. Otherwise, if you click on the album to get back into the Now Playing screen, it pulls up the song menu. If you happen to have forgotten what the song name is that you are listening to, you're screwed, as it will start to play whatever song you select, unless of course you choose the song you are listening to. This is just an extra step that isn't very user friendly.

Thanks, that's all good information. I am surprised to here the iPod touch has these differences from the iPhone.

On the iPhone cover-flow has a black background and irregularly shaped cover art remains correctly shaped against black.

When you flip into album list view, there is a blue triangle next to the playing/paused song.

Maybe an update will correct the differences between touch and iphone.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

I have always said (okay, since 3G nano and touch came out) that with dock line out I can hear a bigger improvement in my Touch and 3G nano sound stage than I did with the classic.

I wonder if apple went in the wrong direction? Wont matter to me because I am saving for an iMod job on my 80gb 5.5 - have the amp and dock, just waitng for the lottery...

 

[Stoney]

Unless the Classic changes character as it breaks in, my first impression with Grados (which I know well, strengths and limitations) in the store was that the Classic was not for me. A bit flat in terms of space, bright from midrange on up, and "ungraceful" in the midrange and treble. I'm a tube lover for that reason... accurate tubes, not stereotypical tubes.

I did like the touch and iPhone (which I couldn't tell apart), and the Nano came close. Not a review, but an impression. I plan to buy as soon as the iPhone goes 16GB.

I had read criticism about the Classic in other threads, but I don't tend to be influenced, except to be prompted to listen for myself.

If your phones are a bit dark, then I can see finding the Classic to be the ticket. I suppose I should test with my E500s which I find dark without EQ.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

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Originally Posted by Stoney /img/forum/go_quote.gif Unless the Classic changes character as it breaks in, my first impression with Grados (which I know well, strengths and limitations) in the store was that the Classic was not for me. A bit flat in terms of space, bright from midrange on up, and "ungraceful" in the midrange and treble. I'm a tube lover for that reason... accurate tubes, not stereotypical tubes. I did like the tough and iPhone (which I couldn't tell apart), and the Nano came close. Not a review, but an impression. I plan to buy as soon as the iPhone goes 16GB. I had read criticism about the Classic in other threads, but I don't tend to be influenced, except to be prompted to listen for myself. If your phones are a bit dark, then I can see finding the Classic to be the ticket. I suppose I should test with my E500s which I find dark without EQ.

We both agree, that the Classic is not for us, and that the touch sounds better (similar to nano). I have heard this from others after I posted this a month back in a classic DAC problem thread. This is why I didn't buy a classic but am iModding my 5.5G 80gb instead.

Maybe the Wolfson DAC is better afterall?

 

[bigshot]

Ungraceful!

I don't use LOL often, but I'll make an exception in this case.

See ya
Steve

P.S. "accurate tubes" is a close second

 

[DLeeWebb]

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif We both agree, that the Classic is not for us, and that the touch sounds better (similar to nano). I have heard this from others after I posted this a month back in a classic DAC problem thread. This is why I didn't buy a classic but am iModding my 5.5G 80gb instead. Maybe the Wolfson DAC is better afterall?

I have read too many negative reports on the iPod Classic 160GB in too many places. My $100 iPhone credit was burning a hole in my pocket so I just spent it on Leopard. I'm waiting on the next generation iPod or until next summer whichever comes first. I'm hoping for a 160GB or better iTouch. (...we can always hope)

 

[IPodPJ]

To hell with the negative reports.

For $250, it sounds great. For $350, it's a toss up.

 

[Skylab]

I've still got no complaints about the sound of the Classic's line output. Sounds fine to me. I have never listened to it's headphone out, and I probably never will.

 

[markopolo]

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Originally Posted by Skylab /img/forum/go_quote.gif I've still got no complaints about the sound of the Classic's line output. Sounds fine to me. I have never listened to it's headphone out, and I probably never will.

We have everything from people saying it sounds like ass (myself included) to it's a paragon of iPod sound excellence. I wonder what accounts for such a huge disparity of opinions with the same model. Can people's ears really be that different?

 

[Skylab]

I'm not sure what to attribute that to, either. This is just IMO of course, and I don't think it sounds as good as either my 4G or 5G IMOD iPods. But used via the line out with a good headphone amp, the sound is quite good IMO. I can't say if it's as good as the stock 4G or 5G, since mine aren't stock. But taken on it's own, it sounds fine, no better or worse than I expect from an unmodded iPod, which is to say, far better than it has any right to sound.

And people's ears are certainly different, but so are their other gear

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

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Originally Posted by markopolo /img/forum/go_quote.gif We have everything from people saying it sounds like ass (myself included) to it's a paragon of iPod sound excellence. I wonder what accounts for such a huge disparity of opinions with the same model. Can people's ears really be that different?

I know I'm not one who said it sounds like *****

but I have noticed that when I switch an iPod from headphone to line out I get a bigger improvement with the 5.5G, 1-3G nano and Touch than when I did that with a friend's Classic.

The biggest improvement I get is smoother and less dark highs on the 5.5G, and better soundstage with all of them. But, I just don't think the soundstage on the Classic was quite as wide as with my 5.5 or other ipods cia LOD.

Now with the addition of an ALO Jumbo X cryo silver dock I am seeing a lot more bass from line out as well as better soundstage. I'll need to try the new LOD with my friend's classic and compare - I never thought a cable would make that much difference till I heard this one. Now I can't bear to go back the Senstation Pocket dock again.