mkmelt
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Introduction: As a new subscriber, I want to say that I have been interested in high fidelity sound and equipment for over 35 years. I can remember the first time I entered the hushed lush environment of a high-end audio salon and felt my nipples get hard. I dunno, maybe it was the cool air, then again maybe it was the all that high end equipment on display in one place
My first set of headphones, actually these belonged to my father, was a pair of Superex Pro phones. Totally sealed design, liquid filled ear pads, separate miniature woofer and tweeter in each can. Good sound, plenty of bass, even today I have never heard some of the audio tricks on Pink FloyD DSOM such as voices rotating around in front and behind my head on Us and Them as on those Superex phones.
The first pair of phones that I purchased was while I was in college. These were a pair of Pioneer phones that used a piezoelectric element instead of a conventional driver. These cost $100 in 1976, quite a bit of money then actually. These phones had a very transparent sound, but not much bass. They were high impedance, I think 600 ohms, and I had trouble driving them from the headphone jack on my Sansui integrated amp so I wired them directly to the speaker outputs. This helped with the sound but they were very unreliable, one channel would quit working and after sending them back twice, I got rid of them and promised never to buy another Pioneer product ever. Never have, either. BTW these phones came in a nice vinyl box that I still use.
My long term headphones are a pair of Yahama natural sound YH-1 orthodynamic headphones that I still have. They were about $80 in 1978 as I recall, and they provided a very smooth relaxing sound that is so relaxing that it is easy to fall asleep while listening to these phones. They are supraural, with a wide web of suede-like material supported by a metal band. They have a full range sound, with good but not overpowering bass, a bit rolled off perhaps in the upper register.
Until recently I would have been content to stay with my Yahama YH-1s, however, I started buying components, and open reel tapes, to add to my growing collection of mostly vintage audio equipment. I decided to read up on what was considered top of the line in todays headphones to better enjoy my growing open reel tape collection played on an Ampex 2100 reel to reel tape recorder through a Fisher 400 tube receiver. The sound of this tube unit is absolutely first rate, even more so when listening to headphones. Also, while my Yamaha YH-1s still work, they can be a bit uncomfortable for longer sessions as the transducers sit on the outer edge of my ear.
I learned that Yahama still offers several models of headphones, but no dealer near me carrys these. It seems that the Yahama RH5MA is considered a good buy for under $40, but they have apparently abandoned the high-end headphone market.
I read about the Grado phones. I once owned a Dual turntable with a great sounding Grado phono cartridge, so I was initially very interested in reading about and hearing some of their products.
I also read the reviews online here and on some of the other audio forums on various models of Koss, Sennheiser, and AKG phones. I had no experience with AKG but I recalled some of the earlier Sennheiser designs from the 1970s (not a personal favorite). I had always liked the rich deep sound of the Koss Pro 4A phones, and at one point thought these might be a good addition to my vintage collection, however repeated postings about how even the latest model Koss Pro 4AA phones were too heavy for extended wearing without neck fatigue put me off seeking these out any further.
As it is, I am glad I kept looking, reading, listening, and learning online, especially here on this forum, before selecting a new pair of headphones.
Headphone reviews: I will only comment on those headphones I have actually heard, as opposed to second hand information or conjecture.
Grado SR-225 : Not full range, lacking bass below 100 Hz. Top two octaves, say above 5Khz, are greatly boosted. I had to turn the treble control on the NAD integrated amplifer I was using to audition the Grados down quite a bit to approach anything like a natural treble. Verdict: Not for me, thanks.
Grado SR-80 : A bit more apparent bass than the 225, but still not full range. Treble was also too bright, but not nearly as exaggerated as on the 225s, turning the treble down just a bit made these quite listenable. Verdict: At $95, these would make a reasonable pair of phones for a second system, say at work, or possibly for use with a portable.
Both of these Grado phones had the old style ear pads, so I don't know how much more comfortable they would be with the newer style ones, but they were fairly light weight and reasonably comfortable, although I was always aware I had them on.
Sennheiser HD-590 : Auditioned these in a mass market audio/video store. Lightweight and very comfortable. While these were clearly full range phones, the 590 had an unnatural peak in the upper midrange. Verdict: For $150, I felt I could do better.
Sennheiser HD-600 : I just bought these off eBay after reading many reviews and also considering the HD-580 and AKG K501. I have been listening to these for about three hours now. Initially the HD-600s seemed to clamp my head a bit to tightly, but now after a few hours they feel fine and are very comfortable. I am listening to an FM classical station through a vintage Marantz 35 watt/channel solid state receiver. The Marantz has no problem driving these to a comfortable listening level with the volume control still below 8 o'clock. Anything above 9 o'clock would be ear damaging. So if any of you want a great deal, pick up a vintage solid state amplifier or receiver from the 1970s such as Fisher, Sansui, Marantz, Harman Kardon off of eBay or even a flea market. They make one hell of a headphone amp.
Although this is only my initial impression, it was immediately apparent that the HD-600s are full range phones with a very smooth response. No part of the audio spectrum appears to be out of place. Male announcer voices are not boomy, a sure give away if the mid bass is boosted between 80 and 160 Hz. Horns and string instruments sound clear without seeming strident. Vedict: I am very pleased with my purchase
Something you should know about me is that I have some hearing loss in the upper registers that is significant above 4Khz. Whether this is due to age, listening to music too loud, or gun fire, I do not know. I have always been aware of too loud music, after attending a few live concerts when I was younger, and have since tried to stay away from rooms where bands were playing excessively loud, or used ear plugs, and I have always worn hearing protection when shooting firearms (well OK not the .22 rifle when I was younger). Maybe it is not one thing but an accumulation of exposure to environmental noise, music, and everything else. My point is, don't think it won't happen to you. Take care of your hearing, keep the volume down, and always use hearing protection when mowing the lawn, using a leaf blower, hammering, or using most power tools. Just my $0.02.
Also, just because I have limited hearing in the upper range does not mean I don't know good sound, because I can and do still enjoy my music collection and can immediately tell when something is not right with the sound of a loudspeaker or headphones.
In selecting a pair of headphones, I think that full range natural sound, is most important. Of course, comfort and fit is also important. As most musical fundamental frequencies are in a range of say 80 Hz to 5Khz, a headphone that provides as close to flat frequency response in this range as possible will sound most natural. Extend this another octave in each direction and you will have a fuller sounding headphone that begins to approach full-range sound. Expand the range again and you have the makings of a true full range headphone. For me, that is what the HD-600 approximates, a true full range headphone.
Good: 80 Hz - 5Khz +/- < 2 db
Better: 40 Hz - 10Khz +/- < 3 db
Full range: 20 Hz - 17 Khz +/- < 3db
Note: I accept that there are lower level fundamentals than 20 Hz, but these are limited to pipe organs, sound effects, and electronic music. Also, I recall reading that studies have shown that in the uppermost octave, few people (mostly children) can hear sound frequencies anywhere near 20Khz. By age 18, most males have an upper hearing limit of something less than 17Khz. For women the limit in the upper range is slightly extended.
Incidently, one of the reasons I decided not to pursue or purchase either the HD-580 or the AKG K501 phones is that neither of these models measures as truly full range headphone using the above scale. e.g., relative to say 1 Khz, the bass output at 40hz or even 50hz of both the HD-580 and the K501 is down by more than 3 db, in the case of the K501, much more than 3db. As 3db represents the half power acoustic output level, generally accepted as the nominal low frequency limit of a loudspeaker, the same standard should apply to headphones.
I will post more after I have had a chance to listen to the HD-600s some more using my different components and on a variety of music.
-Marc
My first set of headphones, actually these belonged to my father, was a pair of Superex Pro phones. Totally sealed design, liquid filled ear pads, separate miniature woofer and tweeter in each can. Good sound, plenty of bass, even today I have never heard some of the audio tricks on Pink FloyD DSOM such as voices rotating around in front and behind my head on Us and Them as on those Superex phones.
The first pair of phones that I purchased was while I was in college. These were a pair of Pioneer phones that used a piezoelectric element instead of a conventional driver. These cost $100 in 1976, quite a bit of money then actually. These phones had a very transparent sound, but not much bass. They were high impedance, I think 600 ohms, and I had trouble driving them from the headphone jack on my Sansui integrated amp so I wired them directly to the speaker outputs. This helped with the sound but they were very unreliable, one channel would quit working and after sending them back twice, I got rid of them and promised never to buy another Pioneer product ever. Never have, either. BTW these phones came in a nice vinyl box that I still use.
My long term headphones are a pair of Yahama natural sound YH-1 orthodynamic headphones that I still have. They were about $80 in 1978 as I recall, and they provided a very smooth relaxing sound that is so relaxing that it is easy to fall asleep while listening to these phones. They are supraural, with a wide web of suede-like material supported by a metal band. They have a full range sound, with good but not overpowering bass, a bit rolled off perhaps in the upper register.
Until recently I would have been content to stay with my Yahama YH-1s, however, I started buying components, and open reel tapes, to add to my growing collection of mostly vintage audio equipment. I decided to read up on what was considered top of the line in todays headphones to better enjoy my growing open reel tape collection played on an Ampex 2100 reel to reel tape recorder through a Fisher 400 tube receiver. The sound of this tube unit is absolutely first rate, even more so when listening to headphones. Also, while my Yamaha YH-1s still work, they can be a bit uncomfortable for longer sessions as the transducers sit on the outer edge of my ear.
I learned that Yahama still offers several models of headphones, but no dealer near me carrys these. It seems that the Yahama RH5MA is considered a good buy for under $40, but they have apparently abandoned the high-end headphone market.
I read about the Grado phones. I once owned a Dual turntable with a great sounding Grado phono cartridge, so I was initially very interested in reading about and hearing some of their products.
I also read the reviews online here and on some of the other audio forums on various models of Koss, Sennheiser, and AKG phones. I had no experience with AKG but I recalled some of the earlier Sennheiser designs from the 1970s (not a personal favorite). I had always liked the rich deep sound of the Koss Pro 4A phones, and at one point thought these might be a good addition to my vintage collection, however repeated postings about how even the latest model Koss Pro 4AA phones were too heavy for extended wearing without neck fatigue put me off seeking these out any further.
As it is, I am glad I kept looking, reading, listening, and learning online, especially here on this forum, before selecting a new pair of headphones.
Headphone reviews: I will only comment on those headphones I have actually heard, as opposed to second hand information or conjecture.
Grado SR-225 : Not full range, lacking bass below 100 Hz. Top two octaves, say above 5Khz, are greatly boosted. I had to turn the treble control on the NAD integrated amplifer I was using to audition the Grados down quite a bit to approach anything like a natural treble. Verdict: Not for me, thanks.
Grado SR-80 : A bit more apparent bass than the 225, but still not full range. Treble was also too bright, but not nearly as exaggerated as on the 225s, turning the treble down just a bit made these quite listenable. Verdict: At $95, these would make a reasonable pair of phones for a second system, say at work, or possibly for use with a portable.
Both of these Grado phones had the old style ear pads, so I don't know how much more comfortable they would be with the newer style ones, but they were fairly light weight and reasonably comfortable, although I was always aware I had them on.
Sennheiser HD-590 : Auditioned these in a mass market audio/video store. Lightweight and very comfortable. While these were clearly full range phones, the 590 had an unnatural peak in the upper midrange. Verdict: For $150, I felt I could do better.
Sennheiser HD-600 : I just bought these off eBay after reading many reviews and also considering the HD-580 and AKG K501. I have been listening to these for about three hours now. Initially the HD-600s seemed to clamp my head a bit to tightly, but now after a few hours they feel fine and are very comfortable. I am listening to an FM classical station through a vintage Marantz 35 watt/channel solid state receiver. The Marantz has no problem driving these to a comfortable listening level with the volume control still below 8 o'clock. Anything above 9 o'clock would be ear damaging. So if any of you want a great deal, pick up a vintage solid state amplifier or receiver from the 1970s such as Fisher, Sansui, Marantz, Harman Kardon off of eBay or even a flea market. They make one hell of a headphone amp.
Although this is only my initial impression, it was immediately apparent that the HD-600s are full range phones with a very smooth response. No part of the audio spectrum appears to be out of place. Male announcer voices are not boomy, a sure give away if the mid bass is boosted between 80 and 160 Hz. Horns and string instruments sound clear without seeming strident. Vedict: I am very pleased with my purchase
Something you should know about me is that I have some hearing loss in the upper registers that is significant above 4Khz. Whether this is due to age, listening to music too loud, or gun fire, I do not know. I have always been aware of too loud music, after attending a few live concerts when I was younger, and have since tried to stay away from rooms where bands were playing excessively loud, or used ear plugs, and I have always worn hearing protection when shooting firearms (well OK not the .22 rifle when I was younger). Maybe it is not one thing but an accumulation of exposure to environmental noise, music, and everything else. My point is, don't think it won't happen to you. Take care of your hearing, keep the volume down, and always use hearing protection when mowing the lawn, using a leaf blower, hammering, or using most power tools. Just my $0.02.
Also, just because I have limited hearing in the upper range does not mean I don't know good sound, because I can and do still enjoy my music collection and can immediately tell when something is not right with the sound of a loudspeaker or headphones.
In selecting a pair of headphones, I think that full range natural sound, is most important. Of course, comfort and fit is also important. As most musical fundamental frequencies are in a range of say 80 Hz to 5Khz, a headphone that provides as close to flat frequency response in this range as possible will sound most natural. Extend this another octave in each direction and you will have a fuller sounding headphone that begins to approach full-range sound. Expand the range again and you have the makings of a true full range headphone. For me, that is what the HD-600 approximates, a true full range headphone.
Good: 80 Hz - 5Khz +/- < 2 db
Better: 40 Hz - 10Khz +/- < 3 db
Full range: 20 Hz - 17 Khz +/- < 3db
Note: I accept that there are lower level fundamentals than 20 Hz, but these are limited to pipe organs, sound effects, and electronic music. Also, I recall reading that studies have shown that in the uppermost octave, few people (mostly children) can hear sound frequencies anywhere near 20Khz. By age 18, most males have an upper hearing limit of something less than 17Khz. For women the limit in the upper range is slightly extended.
Incidently, one of the reasons I decided not to pursue or purchase either the HD-580 or the AKG K501 phones is that neither of these models measures as truly full range headphone using the above scale. e.g., relative to say 1 Khz, the bass output at 40hz or even 50hz of both the HD-580 and the K501 is down by more than 3 db, in the case of the K501, much more than 3db. As 3db represents the half power acoustic output level, generally accepted as the nominal low frequency limit of a loudspeaker, the same standard should apply to headphones.
I will post more after I have had a chance to listen to the HD-600s some more using my different components and on a variety of music.
-Marc