[crazyleaf]

Just bought pre-owned Enigma from IMR eBay store with my super old Zion credits (finally!!)
Let's see how they compare to the Seraph

 

[bk123]

Just bought pre-owned Enigma from IMR eBay store with my super old Zion credits (finally!!)
Let's see how they compare to the Seraph

I guess you did right by buying Enigma with Zion credits as it appears that Zion met same fate of Event Horizon. No more news of it. NaLe is moved from main page to the archive builds section too.

I guess IMR is not going to produce any affordable model going forward. Hope you like your Enigma...

 

[newworld666]

Some time earlier you had said the
Detail and treble on Enigma + was not at par with ier-z1r.
What do you think about that now ?
Apart from stage how do you see the Enigma performing vs the 1er ?

Yes even with some Parametric EQ adjustments for Enigma+, the IER-Z1R offers some more details in high frequencies, but the Enigma+ are still convincing and enjoyable even if the sound is a bit less spicy... so I would say something like they are more or less on par.

Actually, after using Enigma+ for hours, returning to IER-Z1R is a bit difficult too concerning, all missing mid frequencies of the Z1R (particularly for men and female voices which are nearly to be set in the background and not foreground).
So apart from sound-stage width, the Enigma+ is comfortable, a bit on the dark side (no sibilance and hisses at all in any cases) and not a really oriented to a Harman Tuning Frequencies response like IER-Z1R => like a different flavour for me.

As far as I remember when I had Z1R, the mids were indeed recessed but it has very good bass and treble. I don't remember that it had a very wide soundstage (at least not more than Enigma but I might be mistaken). Anyway, I never liked Z1R because it is a heavy and big IEM. It was impossible for me to have a good fit but that's a different story
Enigma on the other hand reproduces marvellously well the mids. It is by far the best IEM I have used to listen to vocals. I'm listening to music with Enigma much more than before and rediscovering my playlist

For me, with Silicon tips (like AZLA SednaEarfit MAX ASMR ) the IER Z1R are really comfortable, (though they stay a bit too bulky for side sleepers like me) and they are probably the nearest to open headphone tuning results of all IEM available on the market I used till now.
But, I think the Enigma+ has a very different musical tuning which seems to be worth to listen too.

Maybe in a year or so, I will be returning again to 100% using the IER-Z1R, but this last month I used at 80% the Enigma+ and really enjoy it more and more a lot.

 

[fablestruck]

I think it would be more fair to test the Z1R with Titan instead of Enigma as to treble and soundstage is concerned. Titan being an EST based IEM for treble and also engineered towards wide stage.

 

[fablestruck]

In any case, as much as I understand it, wide stage is an auditory illusion made possible in part by recessing the midrange. As eg the old Senn IE 80 were. In this logic, you gain a trait by loosing another, that is, midrange presence.

 

[fablestruck]

Anyone know why Enigma come with the older copper cable rather than the Pro one?

 

[Zeppmeister]

Anyone know why Enigma come with the older copper cable rather than the Pro one?

I can't answer that, but if you want a 4.4mm of the Pro, I've got one on the classifieds.

 

[PeacockObscura]

Anyone know why Enigma come with the older copper cable rather than the Pro one?

Where are you based ?

 

[Ryokan]

Anyone know why Enigma come with the older copper cable rather than the Pro one?

Email Bob and ask him, say the black pro would look better.

 

[Shadowelite]

Anyone know why Enigma come with the older copper cable rather than the Pro one?

Email bob and say u got given wrong cables
It SHOULD come with pro cables
Mine did
And i emailed bob before he sent them out asking what cables we r getting and he said pro

If you bought it used or from ebay he might had made a different bundle hence the better discount

 

[dakchi]

Anyone know why Enigma come with the older copper cable rather than the Pro one?

The pro cables come with Enigma+. Enigma comes with copper cable

 

[mochill]

Any updates on Zion and Zion mini

 

[fablestruck]

Email bob and say u got given wrong cables
It SHOULD come with pro cables
Mine did
And i emailed bob before he sent them out asking what cables we r getting and he said pro

If you bought it used or from ebay he might had made a different bundle hence the better discount

I don't use IMR stock cables anyway.
I was just asking to see if it is a synergy thing.

 

[rawrj]

Any updates on Zion and Zion mini

Nope. Bob has genuinely run off with our money this time.

 

[bk123]

Nope. Bob has genuinely run off with our money this time.

Sorry to hear that you haven't received your zion yet. But this statement:"Bob has genuinely run off with our money this time"
is not entirely true. NaLe and Enigma have been delivered as far as I know.
However, there is no news on Zion and EH. I have no hope for EH, but still think zion should be delivered.

Yes, it is true that Bob still owes money for Zion and EH and he must honor any refund request with promptness if he has not done it already.
Hope those who have ordered Zion and EH get their money back.