iFi Audio Pro iDSD discussion thread
Jun 14, 2020 at 5:21 PM Post #2,401 of 3,458
Can someone explain what the Ethernet port on the iFi Pro does? Is it a potential substitute for the USB connection? In other words, could you connect a streamer with ROON directly to the iFi Pro Ethernet port and get full connectivity—ROON, Tidal, and music from the attached hard drive? Or am I confused about what Ethernet does on the iFi Pro?

It's a streaming component. Please see the manual: https://media.ifi-audio.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Pro-iDSD-User-Manual.pdf

As for Roon, Pro iDSD isn't a regular Roon endpoint, but can be, please see this vid about our iBridge:
 
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Jun 15, 2020 at 11:26 AM Post #2,402 of 3,458
I think my iFi Pro iDSD might have developed a new technical problem. Last night I switched the filter from BitPerfect to BitPerfect+. This morning, when I went to switch it back to Bit Perfect, it said BitPerfect in every turn of the filter dial. So I restarted the unit, and now it says “N/A” every time I turn the filter dial. There aren’t any special conditions under which the filter dial works or doesn’t work, right? It should work under any condition, right? I hope I haven’t had a brain fart and forgotten how the filter dial works. Would it help if I reset the unit to factory conditions? If so, how does one do that? Thanks for your help in advance.
 
Jun 15, 2020 at 12:29 PM Post #2,404 of 3,458
There aren’t any special conditions under which the filter dial works or doesn’t work, right? It should work under any condition, right? I hope I haven’t had a brain fart and forgotten how the filter dial works. Would it help if I reset the unit to factory conditions? If so, how does one do that? Thanks for your help in advance.

Nothing special is needed, that filter dial's rotations should cycle through filters during music playback and even if there's none. The product turned on/off should be back to normal. If it doesn't, I'd suggest opening a ticket here: https://support.ifi-audio.com/

Just to make sure, your Pro iDSD now operates normally?
 
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Jun 15, 2020 at 1:59 PM Post #2,405 of 3,458
Nothing special is needed, that filter dial's rotations should cycle through filters during music playback and even if there's none. The product turned on/off should be back to normal. If it doesn't, I'd suggest opening a ticket here: https://support.ifi-audio.com/

Just to make sure, your Pro iDSD now operates normally?
If you say the filter dial should be working properly whether music is playing or not, then no, it’s not working properly. When no music is playing, it works properly to change filters. When there’s music playing, the screen reads “N/A”.
 
Jun 15, 2020 at 6:05 PM Post #2,406 of 3,458
If you say the filter dial should be working properly whether music is playing or not, then no, it’s not working properly. When no music is playing, it works properly to change filters. When there’s music playing, the screen reads “N/A”.
Yeah it should work under any condition, maybe contact customer support?

Yes, I'd suggest opening up a ticket here: https://support.ifi-audio.com/

Or, if you're up for re-installing firmware, you could try this procedure first.
 
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Jun 18, 2020 at 9:15 PM Post #2,407 of 3,458
FINALLY. I have one. Going to listen to it for at least a week before I make any substantial comments, but I like it so far. Direct comparison will be with an RME ADI-2 DAC fs. (4490 chip)

I will say a few little things.

1. This thing just WORKS. One could worry that with all the features, it would understandably falter a time or two but everything works so smoothly. No strange noises, no problems with any formats, any mode, etc. Everything on this DAC just works and works very well. That is a serious compliment considering all that is packed under the hood.

2. It is very easy to figure out. I saw some complaints about the manual, and I can see where a real newbie could get lost, but, for anyone who is familiar with these products, setup is extremely easy and everything is clearly marked. Compared to the RME DAC, it is a relative breeze to configure, trust me. Granted the RME has the kind of manual you wish every product had. But never once have I felt lost setting up the iFi iDSD Pro, and any question I had about configuration was explained well in the manual.

3. So far as is usually the case for me, and has always been the case with iFi DAC's, I prefer converting everything in its native format. So no DSD upsampling for me, and all PCM is played back with the BitPerfect filter(s).

Okay.. back to the music!

iDSD.jpg
 
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Jun 18, 2020 at 9:22 PM Post #2,408 of 3,458
I think my iFi Pro iDSD might have developed a new technical problem. Last night I switched the filter from BitPerfect to BitPerfect+. This morning, when I went to switch it back to Bit Perfect, it said BitPerfect in every turn of the filter dial. So I restarted the unit, and now it says “N/A” every time I turn the filter dial. There aren’t any special conditions under which the filter dial works or doesn’t work, right? It should work under any condition, right? I hope I haven’t had a brain fart and forgotten how the filter dial works. Would it help if I reset the unit to factory conditions? If so, how does one do that? Thanks for your help in advance.

Sorry, I just properly read about your situation. My bad! Ignore this post :)
 
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Jun 19, 2020 at 6:13 PM Post #2,409 of 3,458
FINALLY. I have one. Going to listen to it for at least a week before I make any substantial comments, but I like it so far. Direct comparison will be with an RME ADI-2 DAC fs. (4490 chip)

I will say a few little things.

1. This thing just WORKS. One could worry that with all the features, it would understandably falter a time or two but everything works so smoothly. No strange noises, no problems with any formats, any mode, etc. Everything on this DAC just works and works very well. That is a serious compliment considering all that is packed under the hood.

2. It is very easy to figure out. I saw some complaints about the manual, and I can see where a real newbie could get lost, but, for anyone who is familiar with these products, setup is extremely easy and everything is clearly marked. Compared to the RME DAC, it is a relative breeze to configure, trust me. Granted the RME has the kind of manual you wish every product had. But never once have I felt lost setting up the iFi iDSD Pro, and any question I had about configuration was explained well in the manual.

3. So far as is usually the case for me, and has always been the case with iFi DAC's, I prefer converting everything in its native format. So no DSD upsampling for me, and all PCM is played back with the BitPerfect filter(s).

Okay.. back to the music!

iDSD.jpg

Hey, congrats and enjoy your new machine! Also, thanks a lot for your feedback!
 
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Jul 1, 2020 at 3:35 AM Post #2,411 of 3,458
I would really like to tube roll so I took out 4 really long screws from the back panel but I couldn't quite "slide" the cover out. Am I missing anything?
 
Jul 1, 2020 at 5:32 PM Post #2,413 of 3,458
I would really like to tube roll so I took out 4 really long screws from the back panel but I couldn't quite "slide" the cover out. Am I missing anything?

Yes, most likely all screws on the the rear panel. Once that's done, you should be able to draw out the internal PCB with the front attached to it.
 
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Jul 2, 2020 at 9:10 PM Post #2,414 of 3,458
be VERY careful in there when rolling. Don't use too much pressure. Just enough to get the job done. Some very light 'wiggling' left and right in necessary to remove, and as little force as possible to insert.

I have nightmares about destroying the input socket of my first Icon Audio HP8 M2 headamp and it had ceramic sockets secured to the chassis!. I learned that day how the obession of tube rolling can and will break things. In that particular case, owning a couple hundred NOS or lightly used (some more 'lightly' that others.. grrr) tubes and rolling 5 times a day is murder on even the most robust sockets.

I decided to keep that one as a parts unit, and bought a brand new one. Wow.. Much tighter connections, better sound, cleaner point to point wiring etc... still no chances taken.. put in a socket saver until I decided on ONE to leave in for ever.

Inside the iFi you are dealing with PCB mounted sockets, and you need to respect that with great care. iFi can say more about it I am sure. Be careful when you do it.
 
Jul 2, 2020 at 9:33 PM Post #2,415 of 3,458
As for me, still in review phase. I will explain more later, but since I first was converted and "saw/heard" the light at my first ever high end audio store in 2006, (the system was an entry level SimAudio integrated solid state amp, entry level Sim CD player, and the glorious Von Schweikert VR-4 Jr speakers wired with Analysis Plus oval cables), I was DUMBFOUNDED how good reproduced audio could actually sound. I eventually saved the 4 grand to buy that pair of speakers, but chose to pair it with clearance deals on Conrad Johnson Separates.. MV60SE amp and PV15 pre. WOW. There is a certain nirvana like experience where you are no longer listening to sounds and notes and technical details. You find your mind transcended about all that and all that there is is the music, and what feels like a direct, telepathic like connection with it. Its difficult to explain, but you know it when you hear it. Its a difficult rabbit hole to track down, and at least at the time the price of admission was formidable.

6 years ago I thought I would maximize my $$$$ and go for the best headphone listening can offer. I think I may have felt that familiar old feeling of musical nirvana from back in 2006 a few times here and there. Certainly have heard some very impressive technical feats. But the biggest compliment I can give the iFi iDSD Pro, and this is before I have even started the review, i have found myself once again trancended in some nirvana like way where the equipment, the format, whatever is just out of the way and no longer a factor. I am caught in the exstacy that is the music, where I can listen for hours, with jaw dropped at the pure musical connection and communication that is coming through.

The iFi iDSD is making these moments many, many times over compared to any other DAC I have put in any headphone system I have configured since 2014.

Actually one might think an in depth review is no longer necessary after that statement. No, that not the case, but, it is the highest of compliment I can give a piece of gear.

I just WANT to listen to it. Over and over and over. 5 hour sessions feel like 5 minutes. Time suspends. Yeah, its almost metaphysical crap I am talking now but I am not ashamed or afraid of the ridicule to come from the "measurements over all else" oppressors. Probably going to get a few PM's that tell me I am 'full of $hit' and then they run. Yes, that happens believe it or not. :) Thankfully now I am much more confident in both me ears and in what I know. Still very much a layman when it comes to the technology, but what I do know has comes from countless hours of research and lots and lots of questions answered by engineers from several top audio companies.

One thing I really can't figure out, though, is how the hell Stereophile has this as a class B component. Respectable, yes. But there is stuff on the class A and class A+ list that just do NOT deserve to be above the iFi. As good as some of these new Pro-ject ESS based DACs are and as good a value as they are, there is NO WAY they are an A+ component compared to this.

I have lost a lot of faith in the big boy magazines. (Sans Paul Miller's stuff. He seems to get it) More and more it is clear you just need to listen to what your ears say. Too bad the audition process these days denies that kind of potential buyer connection one had with the specialty brick and mortar stores where you could set back and experience yourself first, unbiased by some quirk in the notoriously difficult to configure Audio Precision stuff)

So to end this bit more than a 'teaser' review than planned, just remember ears over what your eyes read about someone else's measurement equipment.
 
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