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Oct 4, 2008 at 4:53 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 41

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This is what's happening near riverside, CA.

Foreclosure Alley

(edit: embed tag is not working. I am adding link instead of the video itself)

Crazy things are happening there.
To me, it does not look like a simple foreclosure. There must be something more painful than that. Some people there left in hurry without their photo, car, computer, kid's toy, even a urn. Why is that?

Those houses in the video probabaly worth 0.7 to 1M or even more depending on sub-divisions if they were in my area.
To tell the truth, I always want to live in a house like that in the video. But I am not sure if I still want it or not any more. Watching such beautiful houses like that facing such brutal fate really saddens me.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 5:02 AM Post #2 of 41
Man, it sure is hazy out there.

Those prices in CA are ridiculous, too. Our house is much bigger than any of those houses, and we have an acre of woodland property all around it. There's even a waterfall and a creek! It only cost us $70,000 for all of it.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 6:24 AM Post #3 of 41
prices in my area never got truly crazy. I don't think there's even a house on the market in this neighborhood at the moment.

The crazy thing that's happening, though, is the city is threatening to exercise eminent domain on all the houses bordering the east side of the park - they want all of my neighbors across the street to clear out, for no better reason than expanding the park.

And they're being jerks about it. One of my neighbors owns a 3/4 acre plot with two houses on it. He owes $220,000 on the land and the city is threatening to force him off and give him $160,000 for it.

It's sickening. One woman used to own that entire city block. She donated land to build an elementary school on it, donated land to build a city-operated movie theater, and donated all the land the park sits on. She sold plots around the east and south to her friends to build homes on.

Now she's in her nineties and the city is basically saying "Thanks for being so generous - but we want the rest of it, and we're going to take it by force."
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 7:15 AM Post #4 of 41
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Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Man, it sure is hazy out there.

Those prices in CA are ridiculous, too. Our house is much bigger than any of those houses, and we have an acre of woodland property all around it. There's even a waterfall and a creek! It only cost us $70,000 for all of it.



I recently bought a garage (35 m2) in my street for $70,000. I got a good deal...
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 8:38 AM Post #5 of 41
And people are still clueless as to why this whole thing happened. All this shouting about greed and Wall Street, it makes me want to vomit.

Greed, Wall Street, subprime crisis, are all effects.

The cause was a bunch of crackpots who had this delusional idea that owning a home was somehow different than buying any other expensive object. That everyone should own a home. That it should be a right.

The sad thing is, with the whole thing tumbling down around their ears, I bet they still feel righteous about it.

I live in an apartment, and I'm not embarrassed about it. Yeah it's a little run-down, it's not in the best neighborhood, it can be loud with the car stereos and whatnot.

But I don't have any problems paying rent--unless, of course, I am distracted by shiny audio gear.
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Oct 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM Post #6 of 41
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Originally Posted by synaesthetic /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The cause was a bunch of crackpots who had this delusional idea that owning a home was somehow different than buying any other expensive object. That everyone should own a home. That it should be a right.


It should be within the means of anyone who can keep their life in order well enough to make regular payments.

I have a 100% financed home. Fixed rate 80/20. The 80% portion was financed at prime, the 20% is 1.3% higher.

My total monthly house payments add up to about 1/4 of my monthly take-home.

I have never been even 30 days late, not even when i was unemployed for 6 months straight.

But my 2nd mortgage falls into the "subprime" category, and my home purchase as a whole certainly falls into the new category of "homes for everybody".

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The sad thing is, with the whole thing tumbling down around their ears, I bet they still feel righteous about it.

I live in an apartment, and I'm not embarrassed about it. Yeah it's a little run-down, it's not in the best neighborhood, it can be loud with the car stereos and whatnot.

But I don't have any problems paying rent--unless, of course, I am distracted by shiny audio gear.
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I greatly prefer paying into equity on my own home to paying into equity on my landlord's houseboat.

The issue at hand is predatory lending and blazing stupidity.

People were convinced that they needed to buy a home sooner rather than later, because the prices were going up. So that drove up the prices.

People were assured that they should take an adjustable rate mortgage - because clearly their credit would get better before the rate adjustment, and the value of their home would always go up, and they could always just refinance before the rate adjustment.

Some people were additionally assured that a mortgage where their payment is entirely interest and no equity at all were perfectly fine for the first five years or so.

Even crazier, tens of thousands of people were convinced to sign up for a mortgage where they not only just pay interest, but they can opt to not even pay all the interest, and just add the unpaid interest to the principal amount up to 125% of the original purchase price. Oh, and that interest rate is of course variable.

No worries - your credit rating will get better strictly because you own a home! Realestate prices only go up! You can just refinance in a few years!

Banks set up mortgages that were designed to fail. And i don't mean "designed to fail" in the sense that our public education system is a complete travesty, I mean that the intention behind the terms of these mortgages was for the borrower to default and the home to go into foreclosure without the 'owner' ever acquiring any significant equity.

The plan was just to collect interest payments for a few years and foreclose, because the value of the home obviously only went up, and they can just flip the house on a really awesome realestate market.

None of this, obviously, really panned out in the long run. Anyone who's vision wasn't completely blocked by dollar signs could have - and frequently did - point out that the inflation of home prices was clearly artificial, and that artificial systems always result in a painful period of adjustment, and that most of these really sketchy loans were going to result in an almost magical disappearance of wealth.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 5:30 PM Post #8 of 41
That's a great video. I'm glad someone posted it.

Everything in the home was likely bought with a HELOC. Easy come, easy go I guess. It's remarkable how destructive easy credit can be, for every party involved. Yet the government and the Fed and Wall Street are fighting tooth an nail to keep easy credit going. It's not going to happen. The Greenspan era is over. As mortgage rates cross 8% and down payment requirements continue to rise, house prices will inevitably continue to fall.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM Post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by ericj /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The issue at hand is predatory lending and blazing stupidity.

People were convinced that they needed to buy a home sooner rather than later, because the prices were going up. So that drove up the prices.

People were assured that they should take an adjustable rate mortgage - because clearly their credit would get better before the rate adjustment, and the value of their home would always go up, and they could always just refinance before the rate adjustment.

Some people were additionally assured that a mortgage where their payment is entirely interest and no equity at all were perfectly fine for the first five years or so.

Even crazier, tens of thousands of people were convinced to sign up for a mortgage where they not only just pay interest, but they can opt to not even pay all the interest, and just add the unpaid interest to the principal amount up to 125% of the original purchase price. Oh, and that interest rate is of course variable.

No worries - your credit rating will get better strictly because you own a home! Realestate prices only go up! You can just refinance in a few years!

Banks set up mortgages that were designed to fail. And i don't mean "designed to fail" in the sense that our public education system is a complete travesty, I mean that the intention behind the terms of these mortgages was for the borrower to default and the home to go into foreclosure without the 'owner' ever acquiring any significant equity.

The plan was just to collect interest payments for a few years and foreclose, because the value of the home obviously only went up, and they can just flip the house on a really awesome realestate market.

None of this, obviously, really panned out in the long run. Anyone who's vision wasn't completely blocked by dollar signs could have - and frequently did - point out that the inflation of home prices was clearly artificial, and that artificial systems always result in a painful period of adjustment, and that most of these really sketchy loans were going to result in an almost magical disappearance of wealth.



This is one of the best, most concise summations of the current crisis that I have seen.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 6:12 PM Post #10 of 41
Excellent summary ericj. I would add that in my opinion the roots trace back to Congress and the Community Reinvestment Act that directed financial institutions to make mortgage loans to those who could not meet the traditional lending requirements then in place. The result was very predictable, it just took 20 years to manifest itself.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 6:12 PM Post #11 of 41
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Originally Posted by ericj /img/forum/go_quote.gif

My total monthly house payments add up to about 1/4 of my monthly take-home.



I don't mind anyone buyng house if the cost of having house is affordable.
It should be less than 1/3 of what buyer earn, otherwise the buyer may have hard time to keep the home in the future.

Here's what happened in my area.

Some people bought house that they can not handle, that's for sure.
It looked like a good investment strategy at times. In fact, quite lots of people here in northern VA made chunk of money by doing that while the market skyrockets.
For example, they bought $250K single home in 2001, add little improvement and sold it for $450K in 2004. Everybody saw this, and they want a piece of it too. Thus, they bought 450K house, and wait till it get's up to 600K. People like this earned some money too, even if it is not that chunky as before. That's the time when they need to stop this "investment". Clever people figured that out, but most not-so-cleaver people didn't. And those who in need of a house found suprising fact. The house that used to be $250K now is $600K. They have two choices. 1. buy a house at inflated price. or 2. going back to the same sh!t hole they used to live. They are in trouble.

Some are greedy, some are clever, some are stupid, and some are simply poor.
That's perfectly natural thing in normal society. Here in northern VA, people are suprisingly resilient even though the market is not doing well. Large population here is government officers, white colors rather than labor force. Maybe, that's why. There's some foreclosures here and there, but the situation is nothing like that of riverside CA.

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None of this, obviously, really panned out in the long run. Anyone who's vision wasn't completely blocked by dollar signs could have - and frequently did - point out that the inflation of home prices was clearly artificial, and that artificial systems always result in a painful period of adjustment, and that most of these really sketchy loans were going to result in an almost magical disappearance of wealth.


Do we honestly believe that they didn't know what could happen just like us, dumb ordinary people?

No, they set the stage for us, turned housing market into a casino, encouraging dumb people play hard by providing no regulations, ninja (No income no job application) loan... etc.


The answer to me is simple. They let this happen, because they are even greedier than ordinary people.
 
Oct 4, 2008 at 9:18 PM Post #12 of 41
Prices are going down where i live, but since we want to move to a place 3 or more times more expensive any price drop is good for us, since any money lost in our current house is more than repaid for by the drop in the more expensive house. also helps that we bought the house at 20%off and is in a small and pretty nice and exclusive neighbourhood.
 
Oct 5, 2008 at 3:51 AM Post #15 of 41
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I live in suburban Ohio. Nothing's going on here....OHIO SUCKS


This remind me of the rhyme of 'that 70 show" HELLO WISCONSIN~

I used to live pittsburgh area, right next to ohio. Nothing is going on there too... except at buck season. LOL.
 

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