How would I EQ Listening in Tidal exclusive mode on PC?

[theveterans]

If I am not wrong how can with Roon be used EQ and have bit-perfect?

Can it be without paying so much for Roon? I am using Windows 10.

I have tried to find a way so as to listen Qobuz/Tidal bit-perfect and using EQ, but can not find nothing, so still APO/Peace and not bit-perfect

Roon is NOT bit-perfect when it applies EQ. When you use DSP, it's NEVER bit-perfect since there is manipulation from the original signal already. As you can see, roon calls it "Enhanced" instead of "Lossless" since the OG 24/192 became 32/192 signal after EQ

So FORGET about bit-perfect and WASAPI if you're gonna digital EQ anyways and just use Peace EQ on a system-wide level

 

[conductor609]

Yeah echoing what has already been said, if you're doing digital eq in any shape or form it is not going to be "bit perfect" just by definition - you're changing bits by doing eq. you would need an analog eq to avoid that, but it's honestly not worth worrying about and just using something like equalizer apo at a system level is your best option here if you want something easy and free. I've always done my eq using convolution in roon/jriver, but those both cost money.

 

[punkedrock]

Correct.
The (bit)perfectionist won't tolerate any kind of DSP. By definition DSP is altering the bits.

IMHO there was a time (2000-2010) when using a PC as a transport was popular and indeed not without problems.
Operating systems run a mixer all the time. If your DAC is 16 bit, it will convert the audio to float, mix (even if 1 stream is running), dither and convert back to 16 bit integer.
So you add some noise to the recording but it is completely senseless to do so.
Hence the need to bypass the OS audio.
Obvious, if you have a 24 or 32 bit DAC (common today) and choose 24 or 32 as the default, you won't have this problem as dither at -144 or -192 dBFS is way below the noise floor of you playback chain so inaudible.

Likewise most OS run at a fixed sample rate. All audio running at a different sample rate must be resampled. Again at that time this was not without issues. Win XP was famous for its K-mixer. Because of computational elegance, all was done in integer. Very fast but highly inaccurate as well.
Some nice examples: https://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/KB/SRC.htm
Once again, a good argument to bypass the OS.

Today sample rate conversion is completely transparant with a known exception that can be solved using EQ APO: https://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/Windows/SRC.htm

Using a modern DAC and a recent operating system, dither and sample rate conversion are solved problems.
No reason to avoid DSP if this gives you a better sound.
In fact better use DSP if it improves the sound instead of clinging to a dated concept.

Thanks, I appreciate the help my guy. Now I know but uh, what do you mean by float? And dither. (line 4)

 

[Deckard001]

Roon is NOT bit-perfect when it applies EQ. When you use DSP, it's NEVER bit-perfect since there is manipulation from the original signal already. As you can see, roon calls it "Enhanced" instead of "Lossless" since the OG 24/192 became 32/192 signal after EQ

So FORGET about bit-perfect and WASAPI if you're gonna digital EQ anyways and just use Peace EQ on a system-wide level

So the output bitrate of Roon is the same as I listen though every streaming service on my Windows pc with the dac?

I thought with Roon somehow you could EQ but get the bitrate the song was and not messed up with every OS resampling chaos.

Thanks for the info

 

[theveterans]

So the output bitrate of Roon is the same as I listen though every streaming service on my Windows pc with the dac?

Without any DSP EQ, it will default to bit-perfect playback and bypass mixer but with EQ, yes it’s 100% the same as using Peace EQ or any other EQ software, bitrate is never bitperfect because it still goes to the mixer at that point

 

[Deckard001]

Without any DSP EQ, it will default to bit-perfect playback and bypass mixer but with EQ, yes it’s 100% the same as using Peace EQ or any other EQ software, bitrate is never bitperfect because it still goes to the mixer at that point

Thank you very much for the clarification!

 

[Roseval]

bitrate is never bitperfect because it still goes to the mixer at that point

EQ has nothing to do with bitrate.
If you play CD quality at its native sample rate the bitrate wil be 2x16x44.1 = 1411 kbs.
If you do the same but this time applying EQ, the bitrate is still 1411 kbs.
EQ sec alters the samples hence you are no longer bit perfect.