High Resolution Bookshelf Speakers with Deep Bass
Aug 2, 2007 at 5:07 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 51

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Aug 5, 2007 at 3:25 PM Post #2 of 51

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How about Ascend Sierras?

http://ascendacoustics.com/pages/pro...SRM1/srm1.html

I own a pair and prefer them to BWs (60x/CM), MA RS1, Quad11/12L, Kef Q. They really go down to ~40hz, with a very tight and punchy bass, and the mids/highs are really as good as it gets anywhere near their price range. Overall, an extremely good package at a very affordable price. I'd highly recommend them. Note that efficient though so you'll need a decent amp.

If you really want to buy BM, you might add Era speakers to your audition list, as well as Ushers

http://www.signalpathint.com/index.p...d=16&Itemid=56
http://usheraudiousa.com/products/lo...v-series/v-601

I think most speakers in your list have somewhat a particular sound to them (BW, Quad, MA, Kef) so it's somewhat a matter of hearing them yourself and seeing which you prefer. But the Sierras are really are probably at the top of the list in resolution and transparency, as well as for lack of coloration and bass quality.
 
Aug 5, 2007 at 9:59 PM Post #3 of 51

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SP Tech Timepiece Mini goes to 40hz, and hits very hard and clean, from what I've heard from their other designs. If you can spring for the full fledged Timepiece, it goes down to 30hz anechoic. Some of the most amazing bass I've heard. And yes, they're extremely high resolution. I have a SP Tech speaker that is flat to 40hz, but sealed in design. When I heard the SP Tech hybrid porting design that was also rated to 40hz anechoic, I was shocked by how full and authoritative the hybrid port sounded. They sure have something going on with their hybrid porting.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/i...?topic=43286.0

You will want some power for these speakers, though.
 
Aug 5, 2007 at 11:28 PM Post #4 of 51

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Totem Mani-2 This is a bookshelf speaker which doesn't sound like one. However, it's fairly inefficient and sucks a worrying amount of amplifier power, you can rule out almost all tube amps and some solidstate amps as well. The minimum amplifier requirement in my opinion would be something along the lines of a 150-200W Bryston.
 
Aug 5, 2007 at 11:43 PM Post #5 of 51

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I remember reading reviews of the Quad 11L (was interested in them at one point in time), they were regarded as excellent sounding little speakers, except for their timid bass. The specs you post above confirm that (-6dB at 45Hz). The Quad 12L were better in the bass arena.

From your pool of speakers, if you were looking for bass I would replace the 11Ls with the 12Ls.

I think all those speakers are very good ones, final choice might depend on your liking their mids and highs better. Bass-wise, the stronger ones from the specs seem to be (only in alphabetical order) the Dalis, Kefs, Monitor Audios, and the PSBs (and I would say probably also the Quad 12L).

In any case, you should consider a good subwoofer to integrate with those bookshelves in a 2.1 configuration.
 
Aug 6, 2007 at 2:50 AM Post #7 of 51

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I have a pair of B&W CM1 (the line just above the 600s), and they are remarkably transparent, with surprisingly good bass (detailed, not one-note muddy) considering the small size. They can compete with my Event ASP8 studio monitors. It looks like the 600s have inherited much of the same base components.

You should also add the Wharfedale Diamond 8.1 to your list.
 
Aug 6, 2007 at 3:19 AM Post #9 of 51

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Don't forget that your environment can reinforce bass too. Particularly a wall in close proximity behind rear-ported speakers.


Very true. Especially in small spaces, bookshelf speakers alone (without a subwoofer) might achieve very good response even down to 35 and 30 Hz. That applies mostly to rear ported speakers. Placement close enough to corners or the rear wall helps this, cancellation nodes and other room acoustic potential issues notwithstanding.
 
Aug 6, 2007 at 1:08 PM Post #10 of 51

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I would give these guys a go:

http://www.pmc-speakers.com/43.html

They rely on transmission line technology rather than porting (which normally blooms the bass at 70Hz) and give real extension. I have a friend who have the DB1's and they give a deeper response than my Epos ES11's even though they have similar ratings. Of course carefull placement and good amplification will make for a well driven, well controlled sound.

I would agree with the Quad comments. I auditioned the 11L's & 12L's a few years ago when they first came along as potential replacements to my Epos and the 12's definitely had more weight low down. For me the midrange/treble of my ES11's won the day.

It also means that I will not recommend the Epos M12.2's as although their bass is improved I am fairly sure the extension will not be sufficient.

Do try to audition in the system they are to live, if at all possible.
 
Aug 7, 2007 at 4:12 AM Post #11 of 51

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I should mention the SP Tech stuff use a hybrid transmission line porting system. Oddly enough, I read reviews that the pmc tb2 you linked to has light bass. Of course, the others may just be bloated, but I can vouch for the effectiveness of the SP Tech stuff. If you do you research, you will often see that the strongest impression people have of the SP Tech monitors is the quality of the bass.
 
Aug 7, 2007 at 7:26 AM Post #12 of 51

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Any comparison of these speakers?

http://www.psbspeakers.com/product.php?pId=15&sId=3
PSB Image B25
59Hz(-1.5dB) 45Hz(-3dB) 40Hz(-10dB) 89dB/w 6Ω(4Ω min)

http://www.kef.com/qseries/products.htm
KEF iQ3
45Hz 89dB/w 110dB 8Ω(3.2Ω min)

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/displa...fid=2301&sc=hf
B&W 685
49Hz(-3dB) 42Hz(-6dB) 88dB/w 8Ω(3.7Ω min)

http://www.dali.dk/us/page213.aspx?sub=213&prod=261
DALI IKON 2
42Hz(-3dB) 88dB/w 108dB 8Ω

http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/produ...ge=2&product=3
Monitor Audio Silver RS1
43Hz(-3dB) 90dB/w 6Ω

http://www.quad-hifi.co.uk/model.php...11&model_id=35
Quad 11L
45Hz(-6dB) 86dB/w 6Ω

http://www.revelspeakers.com/product...view.asp?ID=20
Revel Concerta M12
65Hz(-1.5dB) 53Hz(-3dB) 48Hz(-6dB) 41Hz(-10dB) 87dB/w 8Ω



Kef XQ1 at outcall are $650 for the pair, get those!
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You might also want to look into Mark and Daniels, maybe the Ruby? They're power hungry as well, but the bass is unheard of. Take a look here.
 
Aug 7, 2007 at 3:13 PM Post #14 of 51

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Quote:

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I should mention the SP Tech stuff use a hybrid transmission line porting system. Oddly enough, I read reviews that the pmc tb2 you linked to has light bass. Of course, the others may just be bloated, but I can vouch for the effectiveness of the SP Tech stuff. If you do you research, you will often see that the strongest impression people have of the SP Tech monitors is the quality of the bass.


Re: SP tech: Wow, gratuitous use of real wood, I approve!! My listening experience with transmission line (as mentioned the DB1), is real base extension but the presentation is lean and fast, no bloat. I guess I am in the lean and 'light' camp with my ES11's
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