HIFIMAN Shangri-La: The New Electrostatic Headphones From HIFIMAN

Sep 14, 2024 at 3:54 AM Post #1,096 of 1,103
Reached out to Hifiman about sourcing Shang Snr and got a reply a few hours later saying that a rep in the UK is going to be in touch apparently. Classy service so far I must say.
Interesting for me that you consider one, you're selling your Unveiled, it sounded a lot from the perspective of others that the tonal balance is similiar, extremely highly resolving (of course more, even more than Immanis), but lacking bass / dynamics.
Have you heard it? Not that i think that it's a bad headphone, a year ago i seriously considered it myself, but there are other non estat options out nowadays. But it seems like you probably heard them by now (have you heard Immanis?). And of course you need a nice energizer.
I hope you will be happy with your purchase.
 
Sep 14, 2024 at 7:58 AM Post #1,097 of 1,103
Interesting for me that you consider one, you're selling your Unveiled, it sounded a lot from the perspective of others that the tonal balance is similiar, extremely highly resolving (of course more, even more than Immanis), but lacking bass / dynamics.
Have you heard it? Not that i think that it's a bad headphone, a year ago i seriously considered it myself, but there are other non estat options out nowadays. But it seems like you probably heard them by now (have you heard Immanis?). And of course you need a nice energizer.
I hope you will be happy with your purchase.
I'm listening increasingly to classical and it's a grail headphone for me to try.

I'm merely exploring prices and not 100% I'll go for one. I understand your reasoning though.

Haven't heard Immanis yet but ruling it out until next year. Want to hear further impressions and spend money elsewhere as I feel like ribbon tech is still early stages, and a year or two from now will be a better value time to try Immanis imo.
 
Sep 14, 2024 at 8:57 AM Post #1,098 of 1,103
I'm listening increasingly to classical and it's a grail headphone for me to try.

I'm merely exploring prices and not 100% I'll go for one. I understand your reasoning though.

Haven't heard Immanis yet but ruling it out until next year. Want to hear further impressions and spend money elsewhere as I feel like ribbon tech is still early stages, and a year or two from now will be a better value time to try Immanis imo.
I own the Shangri-La Senior system (including HiFiMan’s own charger) and just want to encourage you to have a proper listen when you get the chance. This is one of those setups where what you get out of it will be directly proportional to what you put into it. This system is so ruthlessly resolving that it reminds me of all the trials and tribulations that Jay (from the Jay’s Audio Lab YouTube channel) went through during his time with the Magico M6.

Three separate things really have to be on point: (1) You need to be listening to a good recording. (2) Every component in the system needs to have been a quality choice, from the networking gear, to the power base, to the source, to the DAC, and all of the signal and power cables. And (3) You must have repeated the vacuum tube biasing procedure recently, preferably again just before listening. This third step - the manual tube biasing - is not mentioned nearly as much as it really should be, because it makes such a key difference in the sound. I find this step analogous to Jay’s extra work in setting up his speakers in his listening room for the Magico M6. It is a somewhat painstaking procedure, requiring your manual dexterity, as you hold both leads from the multimeter in place with your non-dominant hand, keeping an eye on the voltage, while you painstakingly adjust each of the four pots with a tiny-headed screwdriver in your dominant hand. It requires extremely fine movements of your wrist to adjust the voltage, sometimes seeming that if you even think about turning your wrist, then you will have already gone too far. (Why HiFiMan decided to leave the biasing up to the end user to be done manually - rather than using auto-biasing the way so many other vacuum tube amplifiers do - boggles the mind and beggars disbelief.)

I can assure you that if ANY of these three things are not on point, you will hear that fact, with ruthless fidelity.

BUT if you actually take the time and money to do all of these steps, you will be rewarded; there actually are dynamics, bass extension, and decent bass slam if you take all these steps, again, paying attention to the biasing. Classical music on this system (when properly set up) simply has no equal; frankly, I never used to listen much to classical music much - until I heard it on this system. Now of course, no electrostat can ever give you the dynamics and slam of a planar magnetic, but these are much more satisfying than you might be led to believe, when learning the impressions of other folks who listen to it in a crowded show environment, with a poor choice of recording, without proper gear feeding it, and doubtlessly without having had the biasing done anytime recently. Simply stated, they have not heard it properly at all, and have no idea what it’s capable of.
 
Sep 14, 2024 at 9:02 AM Post #1,099 of 1,103
I own the Shangri-La Senior system (including HiFiMan’s own charger) and just want to encourage you to have a proper listen when you get the chance. This is one of those setups where what you get out of it will be directly proportional to what you put into it. This system is so ruthlessly resolving that it reminds me of all the trials and tribulations that Jay (from the Jay’s Audio Lab YouTube channel) went through during his time with the Magico M6.

Three separate things really have to be on point: (1) You need to be listening to a good recording. (2) Every component in the system needs to have been a quality choice, from the networking gear, to the power base, to the source, to the DAC, and all of the signal and power cables. And (3) You must have repeated the vacuum tube biasing procedure recently, preferably again just before listening. This third step - the manual tube biasing - is not mentioned nearly as much as it really should be, because it makes such a key difference in the sound. I find this step analogous to Jay’s extra work in setting up his speakers in his listening room for the Magico M6. It is a somewhat painstaking procedure, requiring your manual dexterity, as you hold both leads from the multimeter in place with your non-dominant hand, keeping an eye on the voltage, while you painstakingly adjust each of the four pots with a tiny-headed screwdriver in your dominant hand. It requires extremely fine movements of your wrist to adjust the voltage, sometimes seeming that if you even think about turning your wrist, then you will have already gone too far. (Why HiFiMan decided to leave the biasing up to the end user to be done manually - rather than using auto-biasing the way so many other vacuum tube amplifiers do - boggles the mind and beggars disbelief.)

I can assure you that if ANY of these three things are not on point, you will hear that fact, with ruthless fidelity.

BUT if you actually take the time and money to do all of these steps, you will be rewarded; there actually are dynamics, bass extension, and decent bass slam if you take all these steps, again, paying attention to the biasing. Classical music on this system (when properly set up) simply has no equal; frankly, I never used to listen much to classical music much - until I heard it on this system. Now of course, no electrostat can ever give you the dynamics and slam of a planar magnetic, but these are much more satisfying than you might be led to believe, when learning the impressions of other folks who listen to it in a crowded show environment, with a poor choice of recording, without proper gear feeding it, and doubtlessly without having had the biasing done anytime recently. Simply stated, they have not heard it properly at all, and have no idea what it’s capable of.
I'll be using an LTA Z10e if I get Shang Snr, so thankfully won't have to go through what sounds like a tedious and miserable process!

I'll see what can be done price wise. Appreciate your thoughts.
 
Sep 14, 2024 at 4:50 PM Post #1,100 of 1,103
I'm listening increasingly to classical and it's a grail headphone for me to try.

I'm merely exploring prices and not 100% I'll go for one. I understand your reasoning though.

Haven't heard Immanis yet but ruling it out until next year. Want to hear further impressions and spend money elsewhere as I feel like ribbon tech is still early stages, and a year or two from now will be a better value time to try Immanis imo.

If you're going to spring for something as premium as the Shang Sr., I'd try to also hear the Immanis if you can just given its price in comparison and close performance. But for Classical, yea I'd definitely give the nod to the Sr. by quite a bit as they are just a bit more resolving and more spacious overall. But for other genres the lightness in bass will be very clear, just mentioning if a factor.

If detail and resolution are your primary concerns and desires overall then I'd say the Shangri-la Sr. is sure bet.
 
Nov 15, 2024 at 6:46 AM Post #1,101 of 1,103
The bass of the Shangri-La has a character that’s slightly different from dynamic drivers. I’m searching for an even better amplifier pairing.
 

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Nov 18, 2024 at 8:27 PM Post #1,102 of 1,103
The bass of the Shangri-La has a character that’s slightly different from dynamic drivers. I’m searching for an even better amplifier pairing.
It's just a bit light overall on its feet base wise. The Eksonic T2 is the best I've heard it perform bass wise by a bit.
 
Nov 18, 2024 at 9:12 PM Post #1,103 of 1,103
Agreed — the bass I get from my SGLs on the Eksonic T2 is lovely. It's no 1266TC (or even Susvara), but it's gorgeous in its own way.

(Interestingly, I preferred the bass from my X9000 on the same T2...until I swapped JJ 6DJ8s for a set of Siemens CCa. After that the SGL was a treat. Must list the X9000 ;-))
 

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