spritzer
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The only stat that can do Iron Maiden justice is the SR-007, OTOH Megadeth sounds great on a number of stats
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think they're the best thing since sliced bread for jpop. They only thing they simply refuse to is metal. |
Originally Posted by spritzer /img/forum/go_quote.gif The only stat that can do Iron Maiden justice is the SR-007, OTOH Megadeth sounds great on a number of stats |
Originally Posted by catscratch /img/forum/go_quote.gif Only when you have something for which bass impact is a must (trance, (c)rap, and the like) do you start reaching for the DT770's. |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sepultura and Rage are more my thing. I keep the A/250 around for stuff like that. |
Originally Posted by spritzer /img/forum/go_quote.gif That stuff is a bit too much for me. |
Originally Posted by wower /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well, I am kind of set on stax because I found a good distributor in Sapporo (Japan) and they beat any quote on the net I have found so far for Stax by 20-30%. I guess I was looking at the 303/404 to dip my feet in the stax pool. |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif It depends on the amp a lot. Dynamic speakers have their own physical weight to help keep them under control at low cycles, whereas electrostatics are pretty much a plastic bag covered in pencil lead. If the amp can't control the speakers right down to the lowest octaves then it'll get dicey. Both the HE60s and O2s do classical very nicely in a good system. Classical isn't really the 4070's forte. Of course, not everyone likes the characterisitic sound of 'stats. Same in the speaker world, too. Even the best designed audio gear isn't immune to matters of taste. |
Originally Posted by Snacks /img/forum/go_quote.gif Which amp? There aren't many outside of KGSS/KGBH/ES-1 and now Woo, but which one will serve up the "stat" impact on which earspeaker? |
On which stax or electrostat earspeaker, HE60/90, 303/404? |
It would be nice to know...I'm more curious than anything else, because most classical, at least the kind that I have, lacks impact; it's more bass extension than impact. **Mind you, my setup isn't complete, so my conclusions should be taken with a few tablespoons of salt.** |
Originally Posted by Konig /img/forum/go_quote.gif isnt that the place where pricejapan got their stuff? |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif There are also hundreds of thousands of other amps that can drive them by way of a transformer box. And ~10 DIY direct-drive 'stat amps whose creators were generous enough to post their schematics on the internet. Power supply has a great effect on the resulting sound. This can be easily demonstraed by using one of the cheaper 'stat amps that run off a wallwart (252, HEV70, E/90) and trying different quality wallwarts, batteries, and bench supplies with them. It shouldn't cost more than a couple of hunded to setup such a test. I have yet to hear a single electrostatic headphone where PSU differences were not clearly audible. |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well, you can look at my profile to see what I have. Others with a different mix of headphones will have their own experiences to share. |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif Extention and impact a different things. It's the mid-bass that plays the biggest part in impact, and most modern headphones of all technology types can do 50Hz. |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif Everyone's comments should be taken with salt. The fact that people come to a site such as this means that they know there is still room for improvement, no matter how far they've come. |
Originally Posted by catscratch /img/forum/go_quote.gif I also think, if indeed I do, that 'stats can handle more genres well than dynamics. Only when you have something for which bass impact is a must (trance, (c)rap, and the like) do you start reaching for the DT770's. Also on the note of impact, I think dynamics handle certain large orchestral pieces better, since those massive 120dB crescendos have a lot more power on a headphone that has plenty of tactile feedback. Likewise, with some acoustic instruments, such as piano, where impact is part of the performance, 'stats can struggle. |
Originally Posted by Davesrose /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well the DT770s aren't the benchmark of a dynamic headphone |
Originally Posted by Davesrose /img/forum/go_quote.gif Although when they're properly sourced/amped, both dynamic and electrostats can do a lot of genres. |
Originally Posted by Davesrose /img/forum/go_quote.gif Impact is a very tricky thing....and I think this is probably just an inherently difficult thing to master in an electrostat (excluding the big leagues that I haven't heard: HE90, HE60, OII). I think one of the reasons I hear more body out of my HD650 vs the STAX Lambda I heard, was that the 650 was designed to have a slight tapering off in it's midrange (especially at 8khz). This is so that it can follow the accoustics of an auditorium. Gives it plenty of soul, but it's far from transparent then. I believe a large part of impact has to do with variation in the FR. Carl mentioned that the Lamdas were porpously colored in the upper midrange to be studio monitors. So they definitely bring out more detail and are more transparent. It gives you a more upfront presentation: great for analytical monitoring or if you like being moved by having music right at you. Especially when it comes to symphonies, I just like the gestalt of a dynamic headphone (where you have massive swings in dynamics). If ever I do hear the Omega II or the HE90, then maybe I'll be wowed into electrostats. But right now with my sig, I don't have any upgraditis (although I am thinking about the Grado GS1000 for my vinyl rig |
Originally Posted by Snacks /img/forum/go_quote.gif Dave, no offense, but if you haven't heard all stats, how do you know that they, meaning all stats, with the exclusions noted above, cannot do impact? This must be a common knowledge (read: electrostats cannot do impact) thing of which I am not privy to? Let us know how the GS1000 does with your vinyl; on paper, er "monitor" they sound like a suitable pair. However, the same can be said with most all Grado's...how does your 325 do on vinyl? |
Originally Posted by Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif I must be the only person who has no issue with trance using electrostatics or something. |
Originally Posted by Carl It depends on the amp a lot. Dynamic speakers have their own physical weight to help keep them under control at low cycles, whereas electrostatics are pretty much a plastic bag covered in pencil lead. If the amp can't control the speakers right down to the lowest octaves then it'll get dicey. |