Help newbie with canal phones!

Mar 29, 2004 at 3:08 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 8

jayzen

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Hie, I just got my first ever canal phones - Shure E5. The only real headphones that I've been using for the past 6 years is my Sony MDR-V3.

After trying to get a good seal from the Shure's, I don't seem to be getting the same crispy sounds as I get from my Sony. I'm listening to John Mayer's No Such Thing and Lifehouse's Breathing cuz' I know the sounds so well, and with the Shure they sound very muddy, like what you would here from a mono track. I understand as I may be very well due to my inexperiences in using a canal earphone.

My problem, I think, is trying to a good seal. How do you know when you've got a right seal? Is there a burn in time for the Shure's?

Or is just because I'm so used to Sony's signature sounds?
 
Mar 29, 2004 at 3:34 PM Post #2 of 8
No experiances with canalphones whatsoever but I read that you can test the seal by rubbing your thumb and fingers together next to your ear. Without music playing you shouldn't be able to hear that if you have a good seal.
 
Mar 29, 2004 at 5:04 PM Post #3 of 8
a good trial would be to turn the volume on your tv to comfortable listening level
then put in your phones.
then see how much louder you need to go before you can hear basically the same sound as without the phones.
a good seal as described by Lisa will not allow external noise to permeate into the ear canal.
also the canal phones sound different to full size phones. They take getting used.
The shure E5 is regarded as the best shure in production.
i personally prefer the Ety ER-4S.
where gettinga seal is harder but gets easier with time.
Stick to them and in a few days you will just love them
 
Mar 29, 2004 at 10:04 PM Post #5 of 8
hey, the e5's are capable of truly remarkable sound. when you hear it, you'll know.

what is your source? If you're using mp3's you must have at least 192 kbps for it to sound decent. That sounds great, but that's just the tip of the iceberg of the e5's capabilities from a source standpoint. You can listen to cd's on a nice amplified system, which actually, i have yet to hear with the e5's.

i am going home this weekend for spring break. i'll have a few days at home before i go to florida. you can bet i'll be listening to my e5's as much as i can on my home system before i go.

in my opinion, the tri-flange tips available on shure's website are the only tips that should be used with the e5's. (the tri-flanges may or may not have been included with your e5's, as they have started shipping with the new stock.) these tips give the smoothest response and the most bass. the tri-flanges get the most out of the e5's basically.

give time to getting the fit, and order the tri-flanges if they are not what you are currently using. hopefully you won't be one of the unlucky few who can't get the e5's to fit no matter what they do. good luck.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 3:56 AM Post #6 of 8
Thanks for your replies! I'm a couple of hours into listening with my Shure's, and I'm finding some very interesting observations with canal phones compared to a full-sized headphones. Mind you I'm not a very experienced listener in terms of hi-fi sound, and may not understand completely the terms that ppl have been using in the forums (though I very much appreciate high fidelity sounds).

Equipment used: PC, Creative Audigy, Shure E5, Sony MDR-V3, 128, 192 cbr MP3's, --alt-preset standard & APX vbr MP3, various CDs.

1) Initially, when I was not used to the kind of sounds produced by the Shure's, I thought hmmm, what if.... so, I used my Sony's and pressed them tightly against my ears, and swapping them back and forth the Shure's.

By pressing the headphones, I nearly achieve the same kind of sounds as with the Shures. Somehow, there's a certain loss of this crispy very well-defined sound, sorry I'm not sure how to explain it - so, is this what sound-stage is all about, that's lacking in canal-phones?

2) So, since I'm was little disappointed (or not used to) with the sounds, I tried playing around with the EQ, trebal, bass, which I've never bother to play with when using my Sony's.

But when I increased the treble..... wallah! I can finally hear the guitar strings being stum as I've heard before with my Sonys! I didn't adjust the bass, becoz' there was already plenty of it.

Hence, I think all those sounds are hidden and flatten - until you tweak with your settings, you willl hear all of the detail.

3) The small grey-flex sleeves have a better fit in my ears (I have small ears!) than the tri-flange, hence more comfortable and seal better. With the tri-flange, I notice I still can hear a very faint sound when I rub my thumb and fingers close together. Also, after a while (3-4 hours), the tri-flange seem to make my ears more sore. I think the tri-flanges need some trimming - have to look for that post on how to do it.

4) Generally, the Shure's sounded very full and warm (BTW, I'm really making an informed guess what full & warm means based on reading from the forums, as I've never been told and listened to what thin/full/warm sounds like), compared to the Sony with all the media used - CDs & MP3's.

There was more detail not heard before with the Sony. For eg. (as mentioned before by someone), I didn't realize that there were organs playing in the background of John Mayer's No Such Thing! Cool..... I'm picking up all this detail I've never heard before.

5) Also, I really like vocals & classical, so I picked the final track of Danny Elfman's Edward Scissorhands - The Grand Finale as the first test track.

Wow.... You can pick out the so many layers of music working together. The individual instruments from the orchestra, the harp, strings, brass, while accompanying the boys' chorus singing in harmony.... that's magical.

6) The tri-flange has a greater bass and mid's, though slightly sub-dued highs compared to the grey-sleeves. Swapping over to the tri-flanges, you immediately notice that, but there was none of that XSSive over-exagerated booming, which is great! The I think becoz' of my improper seal using the tri-flanges, I think they can reach even great highs.

7) There is this slight hiss in the background of the Shure without any music playing. It's amplified with anything I use at the PC. I understand the amp of my soundcard may not be the greatest. I'll only get a chance of listening to a better Hi-Fi +amp once I go home in June. So, the Shure's will probably sound even better then!

8) I haven't really tried the other sleeves cuz' I haven't really bother; from reading the posts that they aren't all great.

Conclusions, IMHO from a novice listener:

1) I think the Sonys' sounds tend to have a more exagerated treble, and generally thinner and analytical sound. So, they probably sound great straight out without any EQ adjusting. Also, I think this sound is very suitable for acoutic string instuments and classical music.

2) Because I'm used to the Sony V3 (unfortunately, only pair of headphones) sounds, I guess I have never really truly heard any music played at an unaltered level, hence for my inital disappoint. So, I really have been listening only music at its rawest and neutral sounds today! Sniff.... I've been missing out all this while....

But after playing around with the EQ, I finally got the sounds I really like.

3) I think which ever sleeves you're using will affect the music you're listening to. I think the tri-flanges are more suitable for pop, rock, R&B music, while I still prefer the the grey sleeves for classical music.

4) The Shure E5 are a great set of earphones, considering they are the first ever earphones I've owned! Its signature sound is very warm, detailed, full and musical.

And who would have imagined a such a small set of things can produce even more bass than my Sony's!
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 4:00 AM Post #7 of 8
Oh yeah, I forgot, I don't have my digital camera at the moment; my 10D is being used by my brother and it'll only be back next week. So, I'll try to post some pic's of whether I'm wearing them right.
 
Mar 30, 2004 at 5:52 AM Post #8 of 8
Good observations, and fairly accurate...

E5's high-end is subdued and non-fatiguing, but it does take some getting used to if you came from a headphone that's thin and treble-oriented.

And yes, E5 is one of the warmest headphone you'll find out there... only other competition I've experienced is the Sennheiser HD650... which sounds pretty close to the E5. (However, not the HD600 or the HD580's)
 

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