Help me pick a laptop

Jul 24, 2009 at 9:20 PM Post #46 of 65
Ok, I think I've finally decided on what to get, I just have some last questions. I'm going to get a customized HP paviliion dv6 from their website, I just need to know which processor and video card to get.

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[left]AMD Athlon(TM) X2 Dual-Core Processor for Notebook PCs QL-65 (2.1GHz, 1MB L2 Cache) -$50.00Id : AMD Turion(TM) X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor RM-75 (2.2GHz, 1MB L2 Cache) Included in priceId : AMD Turion(TM) X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor RM-77 (2.3GHz, 1MB L2 Cache) +$25.00Id AMD Turion(TM) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile Processor ZM-85 (2.3GHz, 2MB L2 Cache) +$75.00 AMD Turion(TM) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile Processor ZM-86 (2.4GHz, 2MB L2 Cache) +$100.00Id AMD Turion(TM) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile Processor ZM-87 (2.4GHz, 2MB L2 Cache)[/left]

I just want the one that will be the least expensive but enough to work for what I'm doing, same for the video cards:


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[left]ATI Radeon(TM) HD 3200 Graphics 512MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4530 +$150.00 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 4650[/left]

I just need help with these 2 things and I'm sett, unless anyone sees any red flags, then I guess back to the drawing board
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Jul 24, 2009 at 9:26 PM Post #47 of 65
I'd suggest getting the default CPU:
AMD Turion(TM) X2 Dual-Core Mobile Processor RM-75 (2.2GHz, 1MB L2 Cache)

And also the default GPU: (Unless you plan on gaming)
ATI Radeon(TM) HD 3200 Graphics

~ Also have you checked out the business series HP laptops? ~ They should come with intel CPUs which are a lot faster.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM Post #49 of 65
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AMD Turion(TM) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile Processor ZM-85 (2.3GHz, 2MB L2 Cache)
+$75.00


That's the processor I'd get, since it has more cache than the other ones. Cache and FSB speed are the primary determinants of processor speed these days, since they tend to be where processors bottleneck. As for the graphics, the basic chipset will be fine if you're not doing any gaming or watching HD movies. If you are, I'd spring for the 512. The 1GB is overkill for anything that most people would do on a laptop.

Also be sure to inspect your hard drive when you get it. A couple years back, HPs were shipping with these junk hard drives that were getting massive seek errors from the factory. You can use DiskCheckup to check your SMART data and look for seek errors.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 9:46 PM Post #50 of 65
Awesome. Although I have either the choice to get an HP with a Core 2 Duo or a dedicated graphics card, I have been told the dedicated graphics card would be better.

The one with the Core 2 Duo has an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04 PM Post #51 of 65
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Originally Posted by Clincher09 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Awesome. Although I have either the choice to get an HP with a Core 2 Duo or a dedicated graphics card, I have been told the dedicated graphics card would be better.

The one with the Core 2 Duo has an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD.



Computer software is getting more and more graphics intensive, and the poorly-designed Intel chipset may cause a bottleneck that will slow your whole PC down in the next three or four years. The ATi chipset will provide a longer usable lifespan for the laptop and imo is a better investment. I really like the Core2 Duo processors (currently running a Q600 in my desktop and loving it), but the trade-off in graphics power is going to cause problems over the long term.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 10:47 PM Post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by Clincher09 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Awesome. Although I have either the choice to get an HP with a Core 2 Duo or a dedicated graphics card, I have been told the dedicated graphics card would be better.

The one with the Core 2 Duo has an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD.



Get the Core 2 Duo! no doubt about it, unless your gaming you won't need the graphics card. I have a Core 2 Duo on my business HP laptop with a Intel 310 (or something) built in and it's fine for photoshop, illustrator etc.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM Post #53 of 65
I think the only software getting more and more graphics intensive is games - and it's always been that way. The vast majority of non-gamer machines are limited by their 'net connection or their RAM, not their CPU or graphics cards. In addition, paying now for HW you *might* need 3 or 4 years from now is a rookie move. 3 or 4 years from now, there will be faster and cheaper HW than what you are buying today. Buy what you need, not what you *might* need, then buy again when you need more. You'll buy again in 3 or 4 years either way, and my way is cheaper.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 11:20 PM Post #55 of 65
Well if I remember correctly Basic doesnt have the fancy Aero UI,Media Center, DVD maker , and some other extra software stuff. Nothing absolutely essential IMO, but I think it also misses extending desktop to secondary screen. Thats the make or break feature if you ask me. The other stuff is kinda just software which you can third party to do and some fancy UI stuff.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 11:27 PM Post #56 of 65
I think the last time I actually bought an OS (being in IT does have its benefits) I bought Premium. I wanted the Aero UI and the Media Center features just so I could see what all the hoopla was about. I like it, but it's certainly not mandatory.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 11:31 PM Post #57 of 65
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Ok, another question. Is there a really big difference between vista basic and premium? Like is it worth getting the premium if I can?


Check out the differences on Microsofts website, I heard on diggnation that everyone who buys a vista laptop after June gets a free upgrade to Windows 7 anyway, so you'll have to look into that.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 11:31 PM Post #58 of 65
Also, I just saw this on deals2buy.com

"Dell Inspiron 15, Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T6500 (2.10GHz), 15.6" WXGA, 3GB RAM, 160GB, 8X CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive), Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD, 802.11b/g, 6-Cell Battery, Windows® Vista Home Basic, 1Yr InHome Warranty, 1yr 2GB Online Backup » for $449 at Dell.com"

Add a 256mb ATI HD4330 for 100$ and you have the whole thing for 550 bucks.
 
Jul 24, 2009 at 11:44 PM Post #59 of 65
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I think the only software getting more and more graphics intensive is games - and it's always been that way. The vast majority of non-gamer machines are limited by their 'net connection or their RAM, not their CPU or graphics cards.


Things like transparency and fancy menu effects are increasingly becoming the norm, both for operating systems and the software that runs on them. I think the widespread adoption of Windows 7 and the new Office programs is going to lead to an even greater trend of software companies revamping and modernizing their GUIs in a way that takes advantage of modern graphics processors. PCs are also increasingly performing a mobile media function that requires a properly designed graphics chipset to ensure that media is displayed lag-free and with good quality. Purchasing a computer requires deciding what kind of data will be processed, in what amount, and where software trends seem to be headed for the next 3-5 years. OP can always upgrade his internet connection independently of the computer, but what he's buying is not an internet connection -- it's a tool for data processing that makes that internet connection useful.

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In addition, paying now for HW you *might* need 3 or 4 years from now is a rookie move. 3 or 4 years from now, there will be faster and cheaper HW than what you are buying today. Buy what you need, not what you *might* need, then buy again when you need more. You'll buy again in 3 or 4 years either way, and my way is cheaper.


Purchasing a laptop, which does not have easily interchangeable hardware, without looking to the immediate future regarding software trends and potential uses is setting yourself up for failure. The question of how long and for what purpose a machine is to be used defines the hardware required. While completely future-proofing the computer is impossible, it is absolutely necessary to ensure that the machine will be sufficient for its application and most other applications for which it may be used over its lifetime. You don't have to buy the fancy 16-core computer with 20GB of RAM, but you do want to make sure it's something that will still perform its functions within reasonable tolerances until you're ready to purchase new. Buying a bottom-of-the-barrel machine reduces useful lifespan and costs more money because you will have a more frequent purchase rate; over 20 years, you may end up buying six machines instead of four because you just wanted something that was super-cheap, and those extra two computers will cost more than the total of the higher specification options on the four higher-spec machines you could have purchased. In addition, you will probably be upgrading the hardware on those six low-end machines over the course of their lifetimes as well, meaning not only will you be spending more for the upgraded hardware, but you could have just purchased a machine with that hardware installed to begin with and saved yourself the headache.

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Ok, another question. Is there a really big difference between vista basic and premium? Like is it worth getting the premium if I can?


Home Basic is fine for most uses, but get Premium if you're using it on a college or enterprise network. Basic doesn't have some of the functionality required for proper networking in a high-security enterprise environment.
 
Jul 25, 2009 at 12:03 AM Post #60 of 65
I stand by my contention that buying more HW than you need now is a waste of money. I didn't say buy the cheapest, I said buy what he needs, not what he thinks he might need 4 years from now. I have seen it happen again and again - people buy more than they need because they think it will make the machine last longer, then after 3 or 4 years they want to buy a new machine anyway - and they never really needed most of the additional capability they paid big bucks for 3 or 4 years ago.

It's just a difference in buying philosophy - in my experience, any 4 year old laptop is tired and ready to be replaced. The screen will suck compared to the latest models, the built-in wireless will probably be outdated, the DVD door might be tweaked, the keyboard might have cr@p stuck in it, and you might be on your 2nd or 3rd AC adapter and battery. In most corporate environments, most laptop users really start getting cranky after about 3 years - sooner if they are techies or gadget freaks.

Of course, YMMV.
 

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