Headphone Use May Worsen Hearing Loss
Sep 13, 2005 at 5:16 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 11

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My question is: Are we head-fi-ers more or less careful than the people interviewed in this article.

Headphone Use May Worsen Hearing Loss
Sep 12 8:49 PM US/Eastern


By MARTHA IRVINE
AP National Writer


CHICAGO


Researchers fear the growing popularity of portable music players and other items that attach directly to the ears _ including cell phones _ is contributing to hearing loss in younger people.

"It's a different level of use than we've seen in the past," says Robert Novak, director of clinical education in audiology at Purdue University in Indiana. "It's becoming more of a full-day listening experience, as opposed to just when you're jogging."

Increasingly, Novak says he's seeing too many young people with "older ears on younger bodies" _ a trend that's been building since the portable Walkman made its debut a few decades back.

Everywhere she turns, Angella Day sees people carrying portable music players, often with the ear buds stuffed firmly in place. "They're very widespread," says Day, a senior at Chicago's DePaul University who regularly listens to music on her own iPod while studying or working out. "So addicting."

To document the trend, Novak and colleagues have been randomly examining students and found a disturbing and growing incidence of what is known as noise-induced hearing loss. Usually, it means they've lost the ability to hear higher frequencies, evidenced at times by mild ear-ringing or trouble following conversations in noisy situations.

Hearing specialists say they're also seeing more people in their 30s and 40s _ many of them among the first Walkman users _ who suffer from more pronounced tinnitus, an internal ringing or even the sound of whooshing or buzzing in the ears.

"It may be that we're seeing the tip of the iceberg now," says Dr. John Oghalai, director of The Hearing Center at Texas Children's Hospital in Houston, who's treating more of this age group. "I would not be surprised if we start to see even more of this."

Noise-induced hearing loss happens any number of ways, from attending noisy concerts and clubs to using firearms or loud power tools and even recreational vehicles (snowmobiles and some motorcycles are among the offenders).

Today, doctors say many people also are wearing headphones, not just to enjoy music, but also to block out ambient noise on buses, trains or just the street. And all of it can contribute to hearing loss.

"The tricky part is that you don't know early on. It takes multiple exposures and sometimes years to find out," says Dr. Colin Driscoll, an otologist at Minnesota's Mayo Clinic.

One telltale sign that you've done damage to your ears is when you leave a loud venue with ringing ears. If you rest your ears, they might recover, at least partially, doctors say. But with repeated exposure comes more damage to the hair cells in the inner ear, which are key to good hearing.

With long-lasting rechargeable batteries, people who use portable music players also are listening longer _ and not giving their ears a rest, says Deanna Meinke, an audiologist at the University of Northern Colorado who heads the National Hearing Conservation Association's task force on children and hearing.

Often, she says, people also turn up the volume to ear-damaging levels.

A survey published this summer by Australia's National Acoustic Laboratories found, for instance, that about 25 percent of people using portable stereos had daily noise exposures high enough to cause hearing damage. And further research by Britain's Royal National Institute for Deaf People determined that young people, ages 18 to 24, were more likely than other adults to exceed safe listening limits.

How much is too much?

Meinke says a good rule of thumb comes from a study published in December: Researchers at Boston Children's Hospital determined that listening to a portable music player with headphones at 60 percent of its potential volume for one hour a day is relatively safe.

Experts also recommend protecting hearing in other ways _ standing away from loud speakers, for instance, and using hearing protection when using machinery at work, home or for recreation.

Day, the DePaul student, concedes that she's never thought to carry ear plugs with her, as Driscoll at Mayo Clinic and others suggest.

"So what if you gave them out at the door at the concert? Would people wear them more?" Driscoll asks. "I think some would."

To that end, professional musicians have formed Hearing Education and Awareness for Rockers (HEAR) to promote hearing protection. And Meinke's committee is developing a teacher kit with a meter to show dangerous levels of sound _ something educators in Oregon also have demonstrated with a Web-based program called Dangerous Decibels.

"In the future," Meinke says, "I hope people will wear ear plugs the same as they wear their bike helmets or wear a seat belt."

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Sep 13, 2005 at 5:23 AM Post #2 of 11
Sep 13, 2005 at 11:31 PM Post #3 of 11
Specialists also say to take a 15 minute break away from your computer after every hour of computer use.
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Sep 14, 2005 at 3:13 AM Post #4 of 11
When I listen to my cans, I make sure to listen at the level that will ensure me good listening for many years.
When I am at one of my accounts (factories, food plants), I always wear ear plugs.
 
Sep 14, 2005 at 3:21 AM Post #5 of 11
Headphone Use Does Not Necessarily Worsen Hearing Loss, but Unwise Use of Headphone May Do So! Seriously, this is nothing new
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Our ears are miracleous adaptive and if you keep the volume down to a reasonable level, your ears will quickly adjust to the softer volume level. I think most of headfiers are here already aware of danger and most of us exercise caution.
 
Sep 14, 2005 at 3:25 AM Post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by go_vtec
Our ears are miracleous adaptive and if you keep the volume down to a reasonable level, your ears will quickly adjust to the softer volume level.


Wow, not until I read that did I realize it's actually true. I've been listening at volume levels HALF of what I used to for a while now, and when I turned it back up to what I considered to be my 'max' and have no problem listening to, it was just way too loud for me.
 
Sep 14, 2005 at 3:44 AM Post #7 of 11
One thing that many of us may be guilty of is listening for too long a period without taking a break. Many times I've read posts where people say they wear their headphones at work for 8 hours at a time - and probably at least 5 days a week as well.

I think we should all take a week off from headphones every month or so just to give our ears a break. We may be listening at low levels but constant low level sound has got to overstimulate the ear, which can't be good for the long run.
 
Sep 14, 2005 at 7:19 AM Post #8 of 11
Hmm, I wouldn't want to think that I was fooling myself here but I frequently find that when I remove my Etys when I am doing something <that involves commuting or an urban street scene> for example, that the ambient noise is quite a bit louder than the music that I have been listening to.
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I tried out my PMX60s for the first time in ages a few days ago: these street-style supraurals seemed to magnify the ambient noise and I was shocked at how loud I had wound them up to when I got to the office
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I know for a fact that I pay more attention to the volume than I did when I was young and dumb - but what youngster worth their eyeteeth is going to pay attention to what an oldie says anyway?
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Sep 14, 2005 at 9:02 AM Post #9 of 11
This is the wrong forum, sorry to say this. This is not directly about headphones.

Then again, as this is a problem in the real world and many beginners do not know about it, maybe it's good to bring it up every now and then (even though it's covered bi-annually hear at HF).

I don't think HF people are necessarily more careful.

One thing that is against us HF people is this purity of sound amplification.

One mechanims that makes it harder to listen to loud is inherent sound distortion in the playback chain.

People are NOT able to listen to very loud (dB) with a system that distorts a lot, because it starts to strain the hearing system earlier than a system that has lower distortion.

Conversely, it is easier to listen loud to a system that has low level of distortions.

Your hearing does not care so much for the amplifier distortion figures when it starts to develop hearing loss. It cares about volume (dB).

As such, the system that is playing louder (in objective dB) terms, is more susceptible to causing hearing loss.

So, in fact, "ordinary" non-HF users using crappy walkmen with crappy distorting headphones are more likely to turn down the volume due to increased distortion than HF people with superior low distortion playback systems WHEN other things (like understanding about hearing protection) are equal.

Less volume -> less chance of hearing loss.

Things that people should take into account:

- when in noisy environments, do not turn up the music to compensate for the noise around you (you will most certainly go above safe levels by doing this). Get headphones that block outside noise, or don't listen in noisy environments.

- give your ears a break every now and then (it really helps your ears to recover)

- 60% volume rule is way too simplistic to be useful in all situations, I'm afraid. This depends wholly on the power of the amplifier unit and the sensitivity of the headphones.

- Adjust the volume so that it doesn't sound so much louder than normal conversation, if you can. Definitely do not go to "rock concert" levels, if you want to play it safe.

- Hearing damage is CUMULATIVE and IRREPARABLE. When your hearing has been damaged, it's NOT ok to listen louder "because your hearing has been damaged already". It'll just get progressively worse. The more damaged your hearing is, the more careful you should be about it, because it's easier to go over the safe levels, once your hearing has started to diminish.

Also, there are no known scientifically proven methods for last stage hearing loss repair, sans surgical cochlear implants which are so crude/expensive/lo-fi any way that no person would like to have them, unless it was the only/last option to get some kind of hearing (and many deaf don't want them even under that scenario).

- Hearing loss is not just "insensitivity to loudness" or to put it in other words, a need to listen to louder. Hearing loss can also reduce your critical bands accuracy in your inner ear. This means that you'll have trouble making sense, out of speech for example, REGARDLESS of the volume! Pumping up the volume will not compensate for critical band accuracy related hearing loss (well, it can help a bit, as hearing loss types often develop side-by-side, but by pumping up the volume, one becomes more susceptible to even more hearing loss).

- Hearing loss takes time to develop. You may not think about it seriously now in your 20s or 30s, but when you are 50 and having trouble understanding your children, watching to TV or enjoying your favourite artists on yours cans, TRUST me when I say that you will think about it seriously. But by then it will be too late.

So, play it safe. You only got one hearing system.

regards,
halcyon

PS About the computer use recommendation (15 minute brakes every hours). If you study RSI related medical fields, you understand that it makes sense. Many things there are similar to hearing loss: cumulative, sometimes irreparalable, builds up gradually, it's easier to avoid it by taking brakes and avoiding repetitive stress on the same muscles for long. Also, once it hits you, it can be VERY disabling. I'm not kidding. I've recovered partially from Stage 2 RSI and I can tell you that it is not fun (and I'm still relatively young considering RSI symptoms, otherwise healthy and exercise regularly). It's just that 20+ years of computer over-use can do a LOT of harm to your body.
 
Sep 14, 2005 at 10:50 AM Post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by halcyon
Your hearing does not care so much for the amplifier distortion figures when it starts to develop hearing loss. It cares about volume (dB).


This is only part of the story.
Heavily distorted signals contain a lot of upper order harmonics - increasing as the signal moves towards a square wave/100% clipping. Square waves contain the maximum amount of energy for a given frequency, and that energy will damage your hearing more than a clean sine wave of the same amplitude.
Anecdotally and historically I have tended to notice a disproportionate amount of 'wooliness' if I have spent time in a pub/bar (typically) with a really crappy sound system pumped to the max compared to going to a concert with a louder, cleaner system.
WRT to RSI I suffered really bad carpals when I was playing guitar and riding motorcycles (left wrist chording/clutch lever) for long periods with no breaks or exercises.
 

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