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I'm sick and tired of getting errors or not having the cans I want on our measurement site.
I know, however, that the fix is quite a bit of work, and if we're going to do quite a bit of work on our measurements, I'd rather spend developing a major upgrade than cleaning up what's there. So we've started on the road toward developing a revised measurement capability. I thought this time, at the beginning of the process, was really the best time to bring you guys into the mix.
A couple of rules: My inquiry of your opinion in no way implies that we don't know what we'd like to do, or that we're going to utilize all suggestions. It does mean that we know we're not any smarter than the average (technically competent) bear, and realize that many good ideas come from a dialog between interested parties.
I don't want to have a shouting contest between folks saying measurements are worthless and those saying measurement are the only thing of worth---both positions are just plain wrong. Objective measurement and subjective observation are both completely valid views within their own domain. What I would like us to do is discuss the relationships, if any, and how they might be best described. Anybody taking an excessively hard position on either side will be asked for a full and meaningful justification of thier position. Should one be: not forthcoming, irrational, or just plain stupid, IMH---but moderator privileged---O, your post will be summarily axed.
If someone has a particularly good idea and wants monetary compensation for it don't post it! You'd be surprised at how many things we've already thought of and just because you say it here first, doesn't mean that it hasn't been thought of before. If however, I like your thoughts and use them (or even if I really just like them), I might award you a gift to say thanks for being here and contributing to the dialog.
I am scaling back my general posting, but I also intensely desire to contribute to the community. This thread will make up the largest part of my postings here for a while, but I'm not going to chit chat and burn time. So please, let's keep this one on topic, or significantly entertaining. I will be moderating this thread so that folks don't have to wade through 10 posts for every on on headphone measurement.
On With The Show!
I reckon these threads are going to be loosely structured something like this:
Headphone Measurement Thread 1, Prolog: A time to generally express the kinds of things you'd like to learn in the course of the thread, and a time to throw measurement revision request noodles against the wall to see what might stick.
Headphone Measurement Thread 2, Measurement Introductions: This will be a tutorial on audio measurements in general, with a special emphasis on measurements done on speakers and sound that travels to your ears; how they're taken, what they mean, and the variety available.
Headphone Measurement Thread 3, Headphone Measurements: Once we understand basics of sound measurement, we'll explore the special case of headphone measurements: how they are similar to speaker measurements, how they are different, and the equipment used to acquire.
Headphone Measurement Thread 4, Exploring the Measured Data: Here we will dialog about actual measurements, what they might mean, how they compare to the subjective impressions.
Headphone Measurement Thread 5, The New Rev: Here's we'll discuss the merits of the various measurements, which should be included in our presentation, how to filter and present the data so that it is useful to the widest number of people.
Headphone Measurement Thread 6, a little decompression: what have we learned, what was surprising, what headphones should be included in the archive.
I reckon we'll spend about a month on each.
Just to get things started, I'll post some clicks to download some XL spreadsheets that have all the measurement data the we collected on our first pass at looking what might be done. We've picke three traditional cans, and three IEMs to look at: AKG K701, Senn HD650, Beyer DT880 (new), Ety ER4S, Shure SE310, Shure SE530.
OK folks, the floor is yours. What do you want to learn? What is the relevance of measurements to you? What measurements might be relevant for a wide base of users? Stray related comments?
I know, however, that the fix is quite a bit of work, and if we're going to do quite a bit of work on our measurements, I'd rather spend developing a major upgrade than cleaning up what's there. So we've started on the road toward developing a revised measurement capability. I thought this time, at the beginning of the process, was really the best time to bring you guys into the mix.
A couple of rules: My inquiry of your opinion in no way implies that we don't know what we'd like to do, or that we're going to utilize all suggestions. It does mean that we know we're not any smarter than the average (technically competent) bear, and realize that many good ideas come from a dialog between interested parties.
I don't want to have a shouting contest between folks saying measurements are worthless and those saying measurement are the only thing of worth---both positions are just plain wrong. Objective measurement and subjective observation are both completely valid views within their own domain. What I would like us to do is discuss the relationships, if any, and how they might be best described. Anybody taking an excessively hard position on either side will be asked for a full and meaningful justification of thier position. Should one be: not forthcoming, irrational, or just plain stupid, IMH---but moderator privileged---O, your post will be summarily axed.
If someone has a particularly good idea and wants monetary compensation for it don't post it! You'd be surprised at how many things we've already thought of and just because you say it here first, doesn't mean that it hasn't been thought of before. If however, I like your thoughts and use them (or even if I really just like them), I might award you a gift to say thanks for being here and contributing to the dialog.
I am scaling back my general posting, but I also intensely desire to contribute to the community. This thread will make up the largest part of my postings here for a while, but I'm not going to chit chat and burn time. So please, let's keep this one on topic, or significantly entertaining. I will be moderating this thread so that folks don't have to wade through 10 posts for every on on headphone measurement.
On With The Show!
I reckon these threads are going to be loosely structured something like this:
Headphone Measurement Thread 1, Prolog: A time to generally express the kinds of things you'd like to learn in the course of the thread, and a time to throw measurement revision request noodles against the wall to see what might stick.
Headphone Measurement Thread 2, Measurement Introductions: This will be a tutorial on audio measurements in general, with a special emphasis on measurements done on speakers and sound that travels to your ears; how they're taken, what they mean, and the variety available.
Headphone Measurement Thread 3, Headphone Measurements: Once we understand basics of sound measurement, we'll explore the special case of headphone measurements: how they are similar to speaker measurements, how they are different, and the equipment used to acquire.
Headphone Measurement Thread 4, Exploring the Measured Data: Here we will dialog about actual measurements, what they might mean, how they compare to the subjective impressions.
Headphone Measurement Thread 5, The New Rev: Here's we'll discuss the merits of the various measurements, which should be included in our presentation, how to filter and present the data so that it is useful to the widest number of people.
Headphone Measurement Thread 6, a little decompression: what have we learned, what was surprising, what headphones should be included in the archive.
I reckon we'll spend about a month on each.
Just to get things started, I'll post some clicks to download some XL spreadsheets that have all the measurement data the we collected on our first pass at looking what might be done. We've picke three traditional cans, and three IEMs to look at: AKG K701, Senn HD650, Beyer DT880 (new), Ety ER4S, Shure SE310, Shure SE530.
OK folks, the floor is yours. What do you want to learn? What is the relevance of measurements to you? What measurements might be relevant for a wide base of users? Stray related comments?