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Sep 4, 2017 at 10:10 PM Post #586 of 591

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Not sure if it was mentioned already...

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Sep 5, 2017 at 12:29 AM Post #587 of 591

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Hi Charles Hansen - Thanks for the comment! I think it's fair to say fully implemented HDCD is going to be rare these days, well into the second decade of the 21st century. Indeed, as I found and noted in a prior post, even Reference Recordings has stopped using PE and LLE since 2008, the last one being RR-115, The Tempest; the following album in the catalog, RR-116, Thinking About Bix, has no PE or LLE. I think the folks at RR saw the way the industry's going, so they dialed back on HDCD without looking like they're abandoning the format altogether, and started ramping up releasing their titles via hi-res downloads and SACD (and now -back to the future! - LP) in the physical format realm.

So, with the Beach Boys title I was just hoping I'd luck out; I had my suspicions about the 2012 reissue, but I figured what the heck - music first and the HDCD logo indicates at least a PM A/D converter was used in the remastering.

Funny you should mention MQA; from reading some press and comments about it, I can't help to notice similarities to HDCD's marketing and 'mumness' about the technical aspects of the format...but I guess discussion about that subject is another thread. :nerd:


Hi VeloRoad,

Yes, there is absolutely zero point in using the two encoding features of HDCD unless there is a way to decode them. For over a decade, the only way to do this was with mass-market DVD and/or Blu-ray players that included HDCD decoding, but this is clearly not an ideal situation for hearing CDs at their best. Now that the patents have expired, Ayre includes HDCD decoding in the QX-5-Twenty DAC - plus it will tell you if it was just recorded with the PM A/D converter or actually is decoding anything. But that's not a cheap product. The latest Oppo UHD Blu-ray player dropped HDCD decoding from its feature list, so I'd say as a format it is now officially dead. Still a great sounding A/D converter, and still used by mastering engineers who care about sound quality. But there are perhaps another half-dozen converters that now sound equal or better. The Model Two was released in 2003 or 2004 and as just one example, the engineers at Abbey Road chose a Prism A/D to transfer The Beatles catalog back in 2009 to 192/24. That was after some sort of "shoot-out", but I do not know if it included the long out-of-production Pacific Microsonics.

Hope this helps,
Charles Hansen
 
Nov 29, 2017 at 11:16 PM Post #588 of 591

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Hi VeloRoad,

Yes, there is absolutely zero point in using the two encoding features of HDCD unless there is a way to decode them. For over a decade, the only way to do this was with mass-market DVD and/or Blu-ray players that included HDCD decoding, but this is clearly not an ideal situation for hearing CDs at their best. Now that the patents have expired, Ayre includes HDCD decoding in the QX-5-Twenty DAC - plus it will tell you if it was just recorded with the PM A/D converter or actually is decoding anything. But that's not a cheap product. The latest Oppo UHD Blu-ray player dropped HDCD decoding from its feature list, so I'd say as a format it is now officially dead. Still a great sounding A/D converter, and still used by mastering engineers who care about sound quality. But there are perhaps another half-dozen converters that now sound equal or better. The Model Two was released in 2003 or 2004 and as just one example, the engineers at Abbey Road chose a Prism A/D to transfer The Beatles catalog back in 2009 to 192/24. That was after some sort of "shoot-out", but I do not know if it included the long out-of-production Pacific Microsonics.

Hope this helps,
Charles Hansen

Charles Hansen - I am saddened to read of your passing; rest in peace.

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Jan 20, 2018 at 9:05 AM Post #590 of 591

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Christmastime is past...Picked up a delightful 3-disc set, A String Quartet Christmas, produced by Steinway & Sons (yes, the piano company), their catalog number 50001. The HDCD light came on for discs 2 and 3; alas I found out via Foobar later on these discs do not have PE, nor did I notice any indication of LLE or TF. Still, good music.
 

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