Hd vs Cd mp3 players...

Nov 8, 2003 at 12:52 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

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Got a discussion topic for you guys.

If you had the choice would you get the iriver 550 or the iriver ihp120 (20gig). Lets say the price is $au240 vs $600 respectively.

I have my viewpoints but wanna get a 2nd opinion.


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Nov 8, 2003 at 12:55 AM Post #2 of 16
With HDs, you dont need to burn CD so you dont need to buy CDRs. HDs are also faster and they have higher capacity than CDRs.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 1:25 AM Post #5 of 16
Some things that come to mind:

Speed: they have nearly instantaneous playback compared to CDs and MDs.

Output: PCDPs suffer from weak headphone outputs, whereas most HDD players have a good amount of power behind them.

Size: This is obvious, HDD players are WAY smaller than PCDPs are.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 1:40 AM Post #6 of 16
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Originally posted by D-EJ915
Some things that come to mind:

Speed: they have nearly instantaneous playback compared to CDs and MDs.

Output: PCDPs suffer from weak headphone outputs, whereas most HDD players have a good amount of power behind them.

Size: This is obvious, HDD players are WAY smaller than PCDPs are.


i agree with your output and size statement but not certain about the speed.

Doesnt it have a long startup time, also there is usually a 2 sec pause between each track (not that it matter but just stating facts here).
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 1:40 AM Post #7 of 16
I was in the same situation and ended up buying a PCDP. I already had 200+ CDs full of MP3s so it was a no brainer - even with the largest HDD player on the market I couldn't bring everything with me. I was was planning on getting a 5GB iPod so I could have ~7 discs worth with me, but I figured I'd be backing up all my MP3s to CD anyway, so I went with a PCDP. Less hassle picking/choosing what to put on the player, I like listening to complete albums rather than individual songs, and with so many discs I have plenty of variety.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 1:42 AM Post #8 of 16
Oh yeah, for me headphone power is not a concern, I have a portable amp for that. With a PCDP there is a short pause in between MP3 tracks, which is annoying on live stuff/medleys, but no big deal for me.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 1:48 AM Post #10 of 16
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Originally posted by davei
I was in the same situation and ended up buying a PCDP. I already had 200+ CDs full of MP3s so it was a no brainer - even with the largest HDD player on the market I couldn't bring everything with me. I was was planning on getting a 5GB iPod so I could have ~7 discs worth with me, but I figured I'd be backing up all my MP3s to CD anyway, so I went with a PCDP. Less hassle picking/choosing what to put on the player, I like listening to complete albums rather than individual songs, and with so many discs I have plenty of variety.


So your pretty happy with your final decision. I am thinking the same lines as you... Which cd player did you end up buying?

12mw in each channel and 90db sound ratio should be enough on a pcdp to drive my sennheiser hd202 headphones right?
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 3:48 AM Post #11 of 16
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Originally posted by Ravage
So your pretty happy with your final decision. I am thinking the same lines as you... Which cd player did you end up buying?

12mw in each channel and 90db sound ratio should be enough on a pcdp to drive my sennheiser hd202 headphones right?


I'm very happy - I originally had a Riovolt SP100, that went kaput a couple of months ago so now I have a Panasonic CT800. To tell you the truth I didn't do a lot of research or specification checking on the Panasonic, I got a good deal on a new one ($150CDN, normally around $200CDN) so I went for it. It's one of those small/thin/light models with the gumstick batteries, but sound quality is perfectly acceptable for MP3s. It's nice to be an audiophile, but when you're in a subway car with three people mushed against you or on the street waiting in line for a hot dog, it's tough to complain about stereo imaging, you know?
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I think the CT800 is 8mW per channel into the pathetic stock earbuds (16 ohms), so it doesn't drive PortaPros (my portable headphones of choice) very well, but I rarely get over 10 on the volume (5 with an amp). It goes up to 25, which would make me deaf!

I only have 2 gripes with the CT800 which may or may not be major to others - (1) headphone jack on remote is recessed, so large plugs do not seat properly and require an adapter, (2) can't fast forward when listening to MP3 tracks (holding down next/previous goes to the next/previous album/folder). #2 is not a deal breaker for me except I have lots of 4 hour radio shows encoded in mono in one huge MP3 file, and I cannot listen to them in multiple sittings without pausing and leaving the unit on.

The HD202s are what, 32 ohms? I'm guessing they'd be plenty LOUD, don't know about bass/punch/detail - FWIW I have SR-60s (32 ohms) which sound better than the PortaPros (naturally) but don't sound their best on the CT800 without an amp.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 6:58 AM Post #13 of 16
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Originally posted by davei
It's nice to be an audiophile, but when you're in a subway car with three people mushed against you or on the street waiting in line for a hot dog, it's tough to complain about stereo imaging, you know?
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I guess I'm more of an audiophile in training but I think sometimes people forget why, how, or in what context some are using their portable audio players. Although I'm lucky enough not to always have to commute or travel about during peak hours, the city I live in usually presents obstacles on a 24 hour basis regardless. This leads me to why I personally chose a PCD/MP3 and MD player over an HDD. I was concerned about durability issues when on the move. I heard/read that a disk drive player can be easily prone to damage, just like any PC hard drive, more so than other types of players if hit, knocked around or accidentally dropped. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but it made sense to me at the time. Please feel free to elaborate or clear up any misinformation I may have communicated if this is incorrect.

For the record, monetarily, you can still purchase a new premium PCDP with an amp and still have cash left over for a great pair of headphones if you wanted, all with saving money and no sacrifice on sound quality.

Of course, in the end, it always comes down to personal preference, and necessity. I must admit though, the iRiver iHP-100/120's look really cool, and seem like they have everything anyone could want in a portable player. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to order one... possibly in the future after the next year when the price comes down a bit more.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 7:43 AM Post #14 of 16
Ravage, while I can see where Davei is comming from, I for the most part have very good reasons to also consider a HD player . I own an Imp-350 (Irivers mp3-cd player) and I really, really love it. To me, the sound quality is excellent for a portable and for the price that one can get it for. I've seen it for as low as $90 at some etailers. I've even compared it to the newer IMP series such as the 400 and 550 and have no doubts that the 350 is the best in the lot.

However, I'm always finding myself in situations where having a HD player would be so much more convienient..let me list the ways. The portability factor is a pretty big one. Now, I don't really mind having my cd player strapped to my waist, in fact, it's the best way (that I've found) for me to do it because I just clip the remote control to my belt buckle and have full control of everything BUT...The problem with this is that :

A) Unless your shirt/jacket is covering the neoprene case strapped to you, you look like a tremendous dork..Huge dork factor. Which isn't really as big a deal as...

B) Having to shift and maneuver the thing in order to maintain a decent comfort level while a series of wires is running here and fro, causing an ever so slight hassle...enough to really get to you if you're in a particular place where you really don't want to be fumbling with such nonsense. This happens to me quite often, and is very annoying..whereas if I had a HD player, it would be a non-issue.

C) General comfort and ease of use when changing volumes (discs). When I say general comfort, I don't actually mean the wearing process, because that's not really a problem. The problem is that unless you carry a bag and put the player in IT, you'll probably, like me, want to have it attached to your body via something like this :

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That's what I use, and have been pretty happy with it, but in alot of instances, it's a pain in the arse. Unless of course, you plan on keeping it in a seperate hand bag/atache whatever.(the player its self that is) Now, as for changing discs etc...this is the big gripe I have in comparison with using a HD player.

I too have alot of discs of backed up Mp3's, so I understand both you and Davei, however, here's the thing. It's easier, or just the same IMO, to make a bunch of playlists, or perhaps drag and drop gigs of files instead of say having to shuffle through a rack or book full of CD's. Especially since it's more than likely that your music collection on your PC/Mac is already in perfect order compared to your own order of things (unless you're a total neat freak). And who says that you can't play whole albums from a HD player ? Of course you can..that's the beauty of them ! You can sift through albums and albums, without having to even touch your unit (that didn't sound quite right did it ?) if you own a HD player that has a nice remote control...or have to go through the hassle of changing discs when you get tired of the current one you've been listening to. That's another big one for me.

Personally, I keep finding myself in situations where I would so much rather be carrying a HD player than my CD-Mp3 player. Like yesterday, while I was getting ready to leave jury duty, and I'm sitting next to this guy who pulled out his brand new (and quite beautiful) iPod from his jeans pocket...didn't have a case on it, but seeing as how it was in his jeans, I guess it didnt' matter. In the meanwhile, I"m fumbling with strapping this thing, tucking wires away and looking like a freegin poster boy for dork city.
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So, if you're anything like me, you too shall tire of carrying a CD player with you. It's just a matter of time. Of course you'd be saving some bucks if you bought one, but IMO, there's always a sacrifice for such a thing. The good thing though about getting an in-expensive CD-Mp3 player is, that you'll have enough money to buy a HD player as well in just a short time afterwards should you decide you want one. Which is exactly what I'm doing.

IHP-120 all the way !! Woo Hoo ! I can't wait.
 
Nov 8, 2003 at 8:29 PM Post #15 of 16
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Originally posted by PassingTone
I was concerned about durability issues when on the move. I heard/read that a disk drive player can be easily prone to damage, just like any PC hard drive, more so than other types of players if hit, knocked around or accidentally dropped.


With hard drives in general, I tend to think in terms of WHEN the drive will fail, not IF the drive will fail. There's exceptions of course, but having my entire music collection on one HD with no backup makes me nervous. I also like the idea of inexpensive, unlimited storage. A 10GB iPod is around $500CDN w/tax, which works out to $50/GB; high quality CDRs with cases may run $1/GB (more likely half that). Which is not to say a CDR is any more durable than an HD, but it won't likely go kaput if dropped. The PMCDP may break, but then you're out $90-150, not $500.

Naturally, you can play entire albums with a HD player, but the dynamic of an HD player is more suited to individual songs and customized playlists IMHO. With huge amounts of storage, you can pick/choose what you want and shuffle the order - if you like to do this (and like to listen to single songs most of the time) I'd go with an HD based unit, as this is a pain to do with a CD based unit. You'd have to burn different mixes onto CD, program the order on a tiny remote, keep different CDs for different mixes, etc. I like to listen to whole albums, so I have 7-10 albums on one CD and listen to them in order all the way through (usually).

Carrying things around is not a big deal for me - I can put a CD player, amp, and headphones in the front of my laptop bag, or the jean jacket which I wear outside most of the time has huge inside pockets. Otherwise I have a small form fitting case I made which holds the player and amp, and I just carry it in my hand.

Switching discs is indeed a bit of a pain, however I don't do it on the road often since I usually find at least one or two albums I want to listen to on one disc, which gets me through until I can change the disc at home/office.
 

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