Harmonix - Reimyo Series CDP-777 CD Player (a sick high tech fusion miracle)

May 12, 2007 at 7:41 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 47

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The XRCD mastering transport (feels like a textured metal--a bit sandpaperish) This is the same JVC transport mechanism of the XRCD mastering process which, is only available in the Reimyo player. It also uses the XRCD2 K2 extended processor (again only available in the 777).
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And the RCA/XLR outputs
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Yesterday afternoon I did some very brief and initial A/B with the Saturn. I've kept everything the same--so I swap the power cord and interconnects each time. A bit of a pain. The CDP-777 is on my TT wall mount and the Saturn on my entertainment stand.

I think my ears got over worked yesterday and today--listening too much. At first, I thought they sound a bit alike--well, they are playing the same disc--everything is the same except the source and there different locations. I also had this experience with the Hyper DAC yesterday. So I go back and forth a few times. I think the output volume on the CDP-777 is louder, but need to double check--a bit later on that front.

It seems the CDP-777 offers more weight, texture, and a better sense of dimensionality--larger sound stage too. Even though, my immediate impression was that the Saturn extracted more of the extreme minor details from the disc like the extremely buried ticking clock or John counting in "A Day in the Life" deep-deep in the background. Yet I don't think that's true, what I think is those minor things might be slightly easier to hear on the Saturn like the difference between say 1-2% easier. Either because I am use to hearing it the Saturn way (like my brain hasn't adjusted to this new source sound presentation) or the Saturn dedicates less bandwidth overal to the main instruments and/or vocals. And not that the Saturn is thin or lacks mass or dynamics, which it truly doesn't, but when I turn the volume down to the lowest point where I can still hear the CDP-777 it still presents drums with a much bigger bandwidth (they still sound like drums), but the Saturn sounds like someone tap, tapping on a empty water bottle and in complicated passages it's ever so slightly muddled whereas the CDP-777 never loses focus and each strike of the pigskin is distinct.

It's pretty clear that the macro details are superior on the CDP-777--like for example the echoing effect on Paul's voice on "When I am 64" it's like you're in the room with him and there's no question about the echo. With the Saturn it's there but you're listening for it and it doesn't provide that intense sense or feeling like your there. Another thing with the CDP-777, I feel closer to the music--with the Saturn I am a few minor steps back. I also think the Saturn has a slight dark and warm presentation.

I am quite impressed that I can't detect anything about the CDP-777's sound signature--I just don't think it has one. It doesn't color the music, doesn't offer it's own tempo, it just the most natural and neutral sounding source I've heard. When it needs to be loud and agressive it does it then on a dime it's soft and genteel--It replicates whatevers on the disc whether warm, dark, cold, or whatever without putting it's own spin on it, which is really refreshing and awesome.

Well, I've still got until late Saturday evening to make up my mind on this awesome source. Let's see how crazy I am--either way I am nuts for keeping it or giving it back.
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Here's a really nice pic Craig took yesterday--I went to his casa after I picked it up to get his impressions (another trustworthy pair of ears never hurts) that's the HD-2 (AKA the ODIN)--what an awesome combo these 3 make and such sweet music!
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Some shots from the first night home
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May 12, 2007 at 1:22 PM Post #2 of 47
May 13, 2007 at 2:43 AM Post #3 of 47
Even though I don't particularly feel good about Reimyo products' pricing, the CDP does sound elegantly sumptuous yet supple. You should hear the CDP with Reimyo's own PAT-777 300B amp; talk about devastating synergy!

According to that diagram, the vaunted "K2" technology appears to be nothing more than 24-bit word-length coversion and 176.4kHz synchronous upsampling, which then gets traditional 4x oversampling to 705.6kHz, similar to what Dodson DAC does...
 
May 13, 2007 at 8:02 PM Post #4 of 47
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Nice post.


Thanks!

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Even though I don't particularly feel good about Reimyo products' pricing, the CDP does sound elegantly sumptuous yet supple. You should hear the CDP with Reimyo's own PAT-777 300B amp; talk about devastating synergy!

According to that diagram, the vaunted "K2" technology appears to be nothing more than 24-bit word-length coversion and 176.4kHz synchronous upsampling, which then gets traditional 4x oversampling to 705.6kHz, similar to what Dodson DAC does...



Either do I... that's why I bought it used and think I got a really good deal too. I was looking for a one box solution, but that DAC does seem really good (pricey, though) and requires a transport as well.


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I've finally got my brain wrapped around it. What is it? The CDP-777. When I did my initial and brief A/B I swapped the power cord and interconnects in between a track or two--on the second day after listening to it for a while. But Friday night I decided before bed to listen to the same album back-to-back-to-back. The differences were nothing short of amazing.

I started with the CDP-777 then went to the Saturn then back to the CDP-777. The album--Sgt. Pepper.

I really felt something I've rarely experienced before while listening. It's as if I am not wearing headphones while listening to the CDP-777. I forget or at least seriously question it. The sound seems to extend outside my head and surrounds me--a bit like speakers. I can't detect a veil or really anything between me and the music--I don't think I've ever been so close and felt so much so deeply.

What is also equally amazing about the CDP-777 is how it is dynamic, detail, precise, and utterly unflappable through complicated passages and tightly controlled all without ever getting harsh or making my ears feel fatigued. And what I can't understand is that it's also (don't take these terms as a negative) effortless, soft and smooth at the same time. The closest thing I can compare the CDP-777 would be an extremely good analogue sound, but that only tells part of the story. I just feel like I am in another place while listening. I am almost walking through the music, but it is so organic and natural. It's eerie.

When I listened to the Saturn I noticed for the first time it seems to reach a certain top and bottom, which I can't hear past. Almost like a virtual ceiling and floor. It's really bizarre. Also, it isn't as precise or control. In fact, it's a bit fuzzy, tizzy, rolled-off and flat sounding. I thought before the Saturn was only a few steps back from the music, but now I feel like I am listening in another room. And another strange thing is that the Saturn as smooth and analogue sounding as it is, is slightly fatiguing in comparison.

I am really blown away by CDP-777. I just don't know why it took me soon long to get around it.
 
May 14, 2007 at 4:14 PM Post #5 of 47
Keep it. It's funny how we don't realize the limitations of our equipment until we hear something better. Life is short. How many chances will you have at a source at this level?
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May 14, 2007 at 6:49 PM Post #7 of 47
I've heard a lot of great things about the Reimyo Series CDP-777.

I would keep it too, if I were you 909. Even more so if you got a killer deal on it!

When you consider the $14,000. 00 MSRP of the CDP-777 and the $2,400.00 MSRP of the Saturn; it's no wonder it betters the Saturn. It definitely should!

I would hope a $11,600.00 price-tag differential results in an distinctive audible difference/improvement.
 
May 14, 2007 at 7:34 PM Post #8 of 47
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Reimyo stays, Saturn goes.
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Yeah, good move. Life is too short.

Now you MUST assemble a nice speaker system around the Reimyo CDP; it would be such a shame if you didn't have a great speaker system with the Reimyo too!
 
May 14, 2007 at 8:07 PM Post #9 of 47
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Even more so if you got a killer deal on it!


I did, I bought it used and saved a substantial amount. Basically, its like two saturns for retail plus tax around $5900.


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Yeah, good move. Life is too short.

Now you MUST assemble a nice speaker system around the Reimyo CDP; it would be such a shame if you didn't have a great speaker system with the Reimyo too!



It's Nirvana right here on earth.
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Been thinking about upgrading from the cicadas, but one thing at a time.
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May 14, 2007 at 9:26 PM Post #10 of 47
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Been thinking about upgrading from the cicadas, but one thing at a time.
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Yup, wait for the wallet bleeding to stop first.

When you're ready, you live close enough to Dr. Bruce Edgar's shop in SoCal that you should really audition some of his speakers. I would love to own the Titans, but for most rooms, the Slimline Signature would probably fit in and sound "better." In fact, I believe Dr. Edgar had a hand in designing the Cicada, but the current line of Slimline Signature is sooo good, and sooo close to the amazing Titans it's not even funny
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Even better, these will rock the house with 2 watts..

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May 14, 2007 at 10:03 PM Post #11 of 47
what wallet--I've just got an empty money clip.
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You're the second person to suggest Edgarhorns. Craig (AKA Eddie Current) being the first. So I am very interested to hear his stuff. And yes, Edgar, had a very heavy hand in designing the Cicada drivers I've been told.
 
May 15, 2007 at 1:01 AM Post #12 of 47
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I've heard a lot of great things about the Reimyo Series CDP-777.

I would keep it too, if I were you 909. Even more so if you got a killer deal on it!

When you consider the $14,000. 00 MSRP of the CDP-777 and the $2,400.00 MSRP of the Saturn; it's no wonder it betters the Saturn. It definitely should!

I would hope a $11,600.00 price-tag differential results in an distinctive audible difference/improvement.



X2. On the other hand you only live once!

909 congratulations on your new toy. Enjoy it!
 
May 15, 2007 at 4:05 PM Post #14 of 47
Wow congrats on your new CDP
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I am curious how this compares to say Ayre C5Xe
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May 15, 2007 at 5:19 PM Post #15 of 47
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Wow congrats on your new CDP
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I am curious how this compares to say Ayre C5Xe
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send over a loaner C5Xe and I'll let you know, for sure
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CDP-777 only plays red books, nothing else.
 

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